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Symbioticforks · #41 03-30-2017, 08:35 AM

If by fed you meant starved to death, sure.

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This perfectly illustrates the downsides of a loot council zerg.

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Beastagoog · #42 03-30-2017, 08:39 AM

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If by fed you meant starved to death, sure.

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This perfectly illustrates the downsides of a loot council zerg.

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lol old greybeard

10 velious weapons on 90-95% ra, I think I deleted like 3 of em rofl

I think jeni did a loot comparison and like 3 months after I had quit my RA still pushed me on to his lists lol

heartbrand · #43 03-30-2017, 08:40 AM

I don't think you understand that graph because it actually shows many warm bodies who out performed their expected loot ratio based on raid attendance as opposed to elite aim chat pals with high loot vs raids.

heartbrand · #44 03-30-2017, 08:48 AM

Though I guess it's not too surprising that a high school drop out turned professional roadkill cleaner is unable to discern the graph.

Symbioticforks · #45 03-30-2017, 09:03 AM

Yeah there were "weapon collectors" for sure.

There was also favoritism and collusion between the officers to ensure they got what they wanted before anyone else. In addition if you mained something that was not needed for progression your chance at meaningful loot was abysmal.

I worked hard in <Empire> and was rewarded with scraps.

I worked hard in <Apex> and was rewarded with the Lions share.

For character progression in Velious these are the only two choices there have ever been. Should another guild arise that can reward my efforts sufficiently, that is where I will be. If <Ragnarok> was the place to be, I'd already be there.

hint : but I'm not

heartbrand · #46 03-30-2017, 09:16 AM

So empire rewarded those who were essential to continued progression over those who were not in the early stages, got it.

The rest of your post is dumb. The graph you quoted shows the opposite of your claim. People like Gyno with a very high raids attended number did very poorly in terms of loot output as did Gaping and Weta all supposed officers/aimchat core. Gongshow is basically right in the middle of the line. A truly corrupt council would have numerous outliers that were "loot council pals" yet the only huge outlier is Burt, a warrior.

Cwall 146.0 · #47 03-30-2017, 09:18 AM

loot council progression based guild awards loot around a combination of player merit and how useful the loot is on the given class

DKP based guild awards loot entirely around time spent on everquest

wow, you're really onto something here

i'm glad that you found a suitable home for your high playtime shadowknight

Beastagoog · #48 03-30-2017, 09:36 AM

I can't speak for the 6 months of empire after I left but considering the #'s of people there, 60-70 at the start the loot was distributed fairly well.

I think the only dodgy call I saw was Thrilla getting yelinak gloves with basically next no RA and it was like the 4th/5th yelinak kill and those knights/caster were thirsty for yelinak's head.

( I don't think he even had the faction at the time, and probably hasn't even turned them in till this day).

Utanven getting an AoN in Tempest was by far the most horrific decision I seen in any guild (sorry blue and cyren, much love) , there was literally 10 people at that raid ( pretty much everyone there ) that deserved that over him. He'd been to about 2-3 fear raids, while others had endured almost a month of fear raids and 0 AoN's drops. I think at the time he'd been in the guild for 2 weeks too. vrs everyone elses 6-8 weeks.

It caused alllooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooot of people to be pissed off, especially the next day when word filtered thru to the those that weren't there that this blow in got rewarded so highly. it was the catalyst to the AoN frenzy weeks which got worse, and worse esp. when I eventually got one too.

heartbrand · #49 03-30-2017, 09:53 AM

Thrilla was rewarded for his high RA through Kunark I believe with nothing to show for it

Symbioticforks · #50 03-30-2017, 09:59 AM

Progression? That's your reasoning? God you're dumb.

It doesn't take using a loot council with 90 players to progress through Velious. You just steamroll essentially everything.

Gyno's accounts were likely to get banned for RMT (so him not giving him much makes total sense)

Weta is one the nicest most humble dudes on the box (so him not taking much makes sense, and what he did take was absolute best in slot)

I was usually raiding on a cleric or a bard, but still get fucked because I main a Shadowknight? Really instills brand loyalty. I was main tanking most of the Holocaust Kunark content prior to coming back into <Empire> not taking anything, just doing my part for a very long time. Came back into a dogshit system, where the essentials got showered and everyone else largely went ignored. If you were below the line, I might have actually taken you seriously.