Is the fun slippping away?

[Whirled]

Originally Posted by fastboy21 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yeah, I went back and actually finished reading your post after I said I stopped reading (which I did) the first time. You're chastising me for actually reading what you wrote?

I'm not sure why you want to present me as enemy number 1 when it comes to community life. I've been in the same guild for almost this entire server's life. I've made more friends here and avoided almost all the negativity of the end-game, because I agree with you that that is the most important and fun part of EQ --- not acquiring pixels. I do disagree with you that the solution is to change the game through fixes.

I don't say this because "I am getting mine" and screw everyone else. You're assuming that and it isn't true. I happen to actually think what is best for EQ and the server is to leave it the way it is. P99 is fun because it is largely untouched for me. The bad in EQ allows for the good to exist also.

Anyways, we don't have to agree...but your eagerness to throw me out as some kind of anti-community misfit just because I don't agree with you on the solution (or that we even need a solution from the devs) is fast and rude to some of the folks on p99 that do actually contribute to the positive community here, but don't agree with you about needing devs to change things.

Were you ever in the Army? You remind me a lot of a certain platoon sergeant I once butted heads with. Always played contrarian or devils advocate to whatever anyone said. Also bullied anyone under his rank. I probably shouldn't expand on that story for many reasons but I can in a private message if you want.

You tend to add things that no one says in your posts, which is an issue and in your own words, assuming things. You assume that I don't contribute or any of the other players that have asked for intervention in the large swaths of grey areas. Yet exalt yourself as if being in 1 guild from conception gives merit to some higher status. No one wants to have pages of rules to play a game that should be pretty straight forward, but the reality is, most people WILL try to screw other people over to get ahead and/or make gains for themselves. If you feel rule, camp, raid lawyering is what EQ is meant to be, then we are not playing the same game at all.

Stating that the server is not in need of any changes equates to it being final. No further changes needed & everything status quo will continue until the plug is pulled. Maybe someone in the know can weigh in whether this is accurate since I dont stay current with server news. Probably sad that I don't know that but yet I can click on any page of any thread to find problems, complaints & gripes about raiding, camp disputes & much more.

I wasn't chastising you. I was pointing out the obvious part that it's difficult to take someones words when they can't even be bothered to read before responding; even if in your snarky manner. But thank you for your discussion and time though, but I will not further this pointless debate as it has become. I hope your EQing goes well & hopefully your ancient guild has some of the best lawyers in Norrath.

[fastboy21]

Originally Posted by Dolalin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You're half right. The bad in EQ is what made it fun, but a lot of what's wrong with p99 is that it ain't classic: see fd/sneak mechanics for a big one, there are others, Daldaen has a good list.

Fixing mechanics I totally agree with you on. Nilbog has said from the very beginning that if there is evidence that can prove how a classic mechanic works and there is a way he can figure out to fix it then it will be corrected.

The discussions/debate tend to happen on topics of what "feels" most classic or "what is best for the community" is not the exact copy/paste of classical mechanics.

I mostly get concerned when folks go passed the simple quality of life changes (linking items, tells queueing as you zone, etc.) and start to look at changes to how folks can interact with one another.

[Dolalin]

That's one of the big things wrong for my personal enjoyment of my time spent on P99. If you're talking about what's wrong for the raid scene, it's that there are too many 60s and too little for them to do. We can talk about supply management techniques, but it all comes down to that.

[fastboy21]

Originally Posted by Whirled [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Were you ever in the Army? You remind me a lot of a certain platoon sergeant I once butted heads with. Always played contrarian or devils advocate to whatever anyone said. Also bullied anyone under his rank. I probably shouldn't expand on that story for many reasons but I can in a private message if you want.

You tend to add things that no one says in your posts, which is an issue and in your own words, assuming things. You assume that I don't contribute or any of the other players that have asked for intervention in the large swaths of grey areas. Yet exalt yourself as if being in 1 guild from conception gives merit to some higher status. No one wants to have pages of rules to play a game that should be pretty straight forward, but the reality is, most people WILL try to screw other people over to get ahead and/or make gains for themselves. If you feel rule, camp, raid lawyering is what EQ is meant to be, then we are not playing the same game at all.

Stating that the server is not in need of any changes equates to it being final. No further changes needed & everything status quo will continue until the plug is pulled. Maybe someone in the know can weigh in whether this is accurate since I dont stay current with server news. Probably sad that I don't know that but yet I can click on any page of any thread to find problems, complaints & gripes about raiding, camp disputes & much more.

I wasn't chastising you. I was pointing out the obvious part that it's difficult to take someones words when they can't even be bothered to read before responding; even if in your snarky manner. But thank you for your discussion and time though, but I will not further this pointless debate as it has become. I hope your EQing goes well & hopefully your ancient guild has some of the best lawyers in Norrath.

I tried. You keep presenting yourself as a champion of the community and how I am part of the problem. If only I was smart enough to understand why you are right and I am wrong everything would be better, but that's not how real dialogue works.

Good luck in your efforts to improve the community, however you define it for yourself.

[Ikon]

Originally Posted by Mythanor [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If you think fd/ sneak bug is one of the BIG problems with the server, you totally don't understand what any of the big issues are, sorry to say.

Its actually a huge problem. Theres a reason the sleeper was not woken in Velious era on live and its because it took an enormous amount of time and effort to gear up.

Being able to clear aggro 100% simply by hitting sneak, as well as binding coth mages at spawns, not having to facewalk mobs because they chase you all the way to zone anyway and 6 years of collecting soulfires vs the 1 year on live means the raiding game is trivial and instead of staggered progression and 1 or 2 guilds doing top end, you have tons of top end guilds fighting over mobs that pose little challenge.

[fastboy21]

Originally Posted by Ikon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Its actually a huge problem. Theres a reason the sleeper was not woken in Velious era on live and its because it took an enormous amount of time and effort to gear up.

Being able to clear aggro 100% simply by hitting sneak, as well as binding coth mages at spawns, not having to facewalk mobs because they chase you all the way to zone anyway and 6 years of collecting soulfires vs the 1 year on live means the raiding game is trivial and instead of staggered progression and 1 or 2 guilds doing top end, you have tons of top end guilds fighting over mobs that pose little challenge.

The biggest single issue, in terms of game play (not mechanics), is how off the timeline was. Gaining levels, farming gear, and doing it all multiple times over for alts changed the server in ways that would never have happened at launch if we had been on the right timeline. If they ever redo p99 on a fresh server this problem will be fixed.

[Mythanor]

So... let me get this correct. You're blaming the sleeper being woken, on the fact that monks can fd/ sneak mem wipe mobs..... really? really? Not on the asshats that did it, but on a mechanic you find not classic. Interesting to say the least.

[Ikon]

Originally Posted by Mythanor [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So... let me get this correct. You're blaming the sleeper being woken, on the fact that monks can fd/ sneak mem wipe mobs..... really? really? Not on the asshats that did it, but on a mechanic you find not classic. Interesting to say the least.

Not only on the FD sneak. FD -> Sneak = trivial pulling. No lazy aggro = trivial pulling. Binding in dungeons = Not having to clear to targets. A lot of other things that are not classic making raiding way too easy. 6 years of every character you want being able to cast 5 complete heals per character a psuedo cleric.

So yes, that all combines to make the classic job (and thats what it was) of gearing up to the point you could attempt ST so easy and fast had it not been so unclassic easy the sleeper would likely still be on both servers.

If you had raided in classic EQ you would get exactly what I am getting at.

As for the "asshats" if it had not been them it would have been someone else shortly after.

[maskedmelon]

Originally Posted by Lhancelot [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Fade-Tree, that was rude. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Woah! I thought it was fa-DET-ree. fadetree can you please clarify? I feel stupid now calling you fadetree all this time if your name is actually fadetree...omgosh this is so embarassing...

[Ikon]

Originally Posted by Pumpedup [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

its an emulated server for a 15 year old game, if you want to make it harder you need to get a fucking life

Its a emulated Classic server. If you don't understand what the word Classic means you need to get a dictionary, its under fucking C [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]