Camp; questions about rules

[Lelroni]

Originally Posted by redbandit [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This got way off topic, my thing was, in any normal case, 2 people separate can camp every spec np and nobody whines about it, but if two people do it in a grp its a foul, and camping the exact same number of the same mobs in a different zone by yourself, is completely ok. That is silly. But for some reason its the rules so this post answered my question, and alot of guk questions!

You could be a 'dick' and tell the person that the other guy in your group is camping 1/2 the specs and you the other half. I did that when I was duo'ing with a necro in lguk on the Lord/AM. (he had lord and I had AM)

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Sad part is, after an enchanter came up and demanded one of the camps, we obliged and gave her the Lord camp. She promptly died trying to clear up to the Lord. (she even had a 30-40-ish gnome cleric grouped with her, and I bet she wasn't boxing it [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] )

[redbandit]

I already thought of that one hah

[mimixownzall]

Originally Posted by Bubbles [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

And if you walk into a convenience store, and no one's at the counter, it's officially "make your own change night" at the Circle K.

The rules are defined to make sure the guides don't get bugged every five seconds to figure out who was first on Trainer Hill in crushbone.

The idiots who use loose regulations to prance around and be annoyances, that's what I can't stand. Common decency.. It's a lost art.

Loose? Nothing loose about what he was refering to.

You walk in to the ancient croc room. Mobs are dead, but no one is around. You take a look around but see no one. You do /say anyone here invis or hiding? No one replies. You set up shop and get ready for respawn. Somone shows up and says they were camping it. Too bad, by rules.

It is pretty cut and dry in this instance and the instance the poster was saying that you replied to.

[mimixownzall]

I think people just forget to think, "If I were in that person's shoes, what would I do or how would I feel in the same situation?"

[Harrison]

Originally Posted by mimixownzall [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You walk in to the ancient croc room. Mobs are dead, but no one is around. You take a look around but see no one. You do /say anyone here invis or hiding? No one replies. You set up shop and get ready for respawn. Somone shows up and says they were camping it. Too bad, I'm a douchebag so I'm going to steal it instead of ask in shout if it's camped.

It is pretty cut and dry that I will use gray areas in rulesets to get my way. I don't care about other people. I am selfish.

I use a noobtube. I am terrible at FPS too.

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[bizzum]

Originally Posted by Bubbles [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

it's officially "make your own change night" at the Circle K.

Are there Circle K's in other places outside of Japan? =x

[DetroitVelvetSmooth]

With the way the rules are set up groups are disincentivised. So a group of 6 is holding down 4 rooms that have named spawns a la lguk undead side. One 50 mage enters and camp checks, then says "you cant have 4 camps, im taking the frenzieds, b/c section 8 art. 2 blah blah blah." Ok, fine, now we have some down time, thats cool, just being friendly. Now another 49 Necro shows up, same thing, takes the supplier, now the 6 are down to 2 rooms, and there is no challange or fun being had. People get bored, leave, and once again, playing the game the way it was meant to be played is made impossible. Ever had that happen? Should the definition of "camp" be flexible if a case like this went to the GM's?

[Uthgaard]

Originally Posted by Cars [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This rule is so situational it hurts to answer specific questions without screenshots but... if you are in an indoor zone like a dungeon your camps will usually consist of a single room but allowing you to pull openly from other uncamped rooms until someone claims. If someone is claiming multiple camps and there is nothing else open for you to take just ask them what camp they would prefer (doing this nicely is the best way to avoid ooc dick measuring contests) and most people will usually be pretty friendly about it.

For outdoor zones its hard to define a camp as alot of "camps" have a large area that the mobs roam or spawn in. An example of an outdoor camp is spectres in oasis. The entire island is concidered one camp but if you cant break the camp and consistently kill all the spectres then the ones that you can not are open for grabs. Spectres is one of the easier camps however and when you start getting into OOT or Ancient cyclops camps the line starts to blur a bit. use your discretion and try not to be a douchebag by not trying to bite off more then you can actually chew and you will most likely avoid the OOC battles.

Cars had this covered on page 1.

If you're being a douchebag and trying to ride a gray area, and starting some shit that we have to come in and decide for you, chances are, you're going to be the one we're pissed off at. But here's the best part. If it's me, I'm going to make a decision that you're both going to hate. Don't like it? Mission accomplished, in the future you'll figure shit out on your own.

Every time two players decide that they cant put on their big boy/girl/tranny pants and start a dispute that they can't resolve on their own, it takes time away from other shit. Then other people whine about how long other shit takes.

[Stibe]

Originally Posted by DetroitVelvetSmooth [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

With the way the rules are set up groups are disincentivised. So a group of 6 is holding down 4 rooms that have named spawns a la lguk undead side. One 50 mage enters and camp checks, then says "you cant have 4 camps, im taking the frenzieds, b/c section 8 art. 2 blah blah blah." Ok, fine, now we have some down time, thats cool, just being friendly. Now another 49 Necro shows up, same thing, takes the supplier, now the 6 are down to 2 rooms, and there is no challange or fun being had. People get bored, leave, and once again, playing the game the way it was meant to be played is made impossible. Ever had that happen? Should the definition of "camp" be flexible if a case like this went to the GM's?

There are more than enough non-named spawns to pull.

[Randy]

Originally Posted by Stibe [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

There are more than enough non-named spawns to pull.

I think he's just trying to say the rules kind of suck for Groups. Because say your group is holding 3 named. Some 50 mage farmer dude comes along and has rights to a spawn cause you can't camp them all. 15 mins another solo farmer comes a long and takes the other. Now you're down to 1 named for 6 people, while the 2 farmers each get their own spawn. If that actually happened, it would suck. Personally, I think its a very unlikely scenario cause most people act reasonably but occasionally people do get rule crazy instead of just using common courtesy.