Socialized Medicine - Let's Discuss!

[Yumyums Inmahtumtums]

It's amazing to me how mad it makes some of you when societal leeches get benefits.

My wife and I have probably paid ~200k-250k in income taxes in the last 10 years (Canada). We had 2 healthy kids and have a yearly exam for ourselves. We definitely have paid into the system more than we've gotten out of it although we've closed the gap since the kids. I'm happy know my healthcare system takes care of my neighbors who might take more than they put in. I'm even happier knowing chronic and sustained job loss or maybe catastrophic uninsurable property loss are really the only two things that could bankrupt me.

There's a price to pay for peace of mind and as I get older (30 now) it only gets more important.

I probably won't wave a flag around on July 1st or join in on other bullshit symbolic activities, I'll be thinking about all the exceptional framework that made this life possible.

[maskedmelon]

Originally Posted by Yumyums Inmahtumtums [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It's amazing to me how mad it makes some of you when societal leeches get benefits.

My wife and I have probably paid ~200k-250k in income taxes in the last 10 years (Canada). We had 2 healthy kids and have a yearly exam for ourselves. We definitely have paid into the system more than we've gotten out of it although we've closed the gap since the kids. I'm happy know my healthcare system takes care of my neighbors who might take more than they put in. I'm even happier knowing chronic and sustained job loss or maybe catastrophic uninsurable property loss are really the only two things that could bankrupt me.
There's a price to pay for peace of mind and as I get older (30 now) it only gets more important.
I probably won't wave a flag around on July 1st or join in on other bullshit symbolic activities, I'll be thinking about all the exceptional framework that made this life possible.

You are just praising health insurance in general. What you describe is not limited to a national healthcare system. Outside of Canada you could purchase a catastrophic care plan and still have that peace of mind for far cheaper. You could purchase additional coverage if you liked too and be free to seek the services you desire.

[Yumyums Inmahtumtums]

Can you really have peace of mind? Pre existing condition or other disqualifying fine print takes away insurance from an enormous number of people. Enough at least that I wouldn't REALLY have peace of mind.

Also, in what country would health insurance be cheaper in? Most 1st world countries have universal healthcare negating the need to get health insurance in the first place.

[Pokesan]

Originally Posted by Yumyums Inmahtumtums [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Can you really have peace of mind? Pre existing condition or other disqualifying fine print takes away insurance from an enormous number of people. Enough at least that I wouldn't REALLY have peace of mind.

Also, in what country would health insurance be cheaper in? Most 1st world countries have universal healthcare negating the need to get health insurance in the first place.

excuse me sir - taxation is theft

[pickled_heretic]

it probably saves everyone money to provide primary care for everyone. ER visits for poor people are exorbitantly expensive and the tax payer pays for those if the person in question can't. primary care is a lot cheaper in the long run.

taxpayer, choose one: 5000 for a few colonoscopies, or 500,000 for expensive end of life care for someone with colon cancer.

[Ahldagor]

Wait, are we getting to the point on this piece of yarn where some folks are begininng to realize that the systems in place were thought out by folks that are actually pretty smart and have considered multiple notions on how something could, should be implemented, so in doing so we end up with what is present?

[maerilith]

Ppl should be able to afford reasonable healthcare in a reasonable economy were the rule of law is fair and just for all.

I honestly don't care how that happens.

But a lot of assholes don't respect their country and fellow Americans and are happy denying them access to basic perks of civilization.

[Karkona]

Originally Posted by maskedmelon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

2. How is it less selfish to take something for nothing than it is to refuse to give something for nothing?

It is not selfish to refuse. If I give a homeless man a dollar—THAT is selfish of me. The reason is because I give him the dollar because in return I get something. Whether that something is divine rewards in heaven or boosting my self-esteem the fact remains I did it for some form of gain for myself. I did it because I wanted to. I had to fulfill my desire to give him my money.

With the exceptions of sleeping, eating, going to the bathroom—everything else in life is a selfish action.

[Ahldagor]

Originally Posted by Karkona [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It is not selfish to refuse. If I give a homeless man a dollar—THAT is selfish of me. The reason is because I give him the dollar because in return I get something. Whether that something is divine rewards in heaven or boosting my self-esteem the fact remains I did it for some form of gain for myself. I did it because I wanted to. I had to fulfill my desire to give him my money.

With the exceptions of sleeping, eating, going to the bathroom—everything else in life is a selfish action.

Aristotle, Nichomachean Ethics

[big_ole_jpn]

Originally Posted by Karkona [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It is not selfish to refuse. If I give a homeless man a dollar—THAT is selfish of me. The reason is because I give him the dollar because in return I get something. Whether that something is divine rewards in heaven or boosting my self-esteem the fact remains I did it for some form of gain for myself. I did it because I wanted to. I had to fulfill my desire to give him my money.

With the exceptions of sleeping, eating, going to the bathroom—everything else in life is a selfish action.

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