Clinton or Bernie?

[iruinedyourday]

Originally Posted by barrettdc1 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

did someone say genetics?

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welp, Im in!

once again, as the days progress, I become more and more like Lune.

[iruinedyourday]

Originally Posted by PhilMcKracken [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Then you need to ask yourself - is putting our country in debt even further to balance out our social system really the answer?

It depends on how you define a businessman, most of the previous Presidential candidates went to school or were refined for politics from a young age. Trump was building his empire.

It depends on who you think will reduce our debt, the bankers who borrow more money than god and pay no taxes? or the people who want to break up the bankers and tax them.

[AzzarTheGod]

Originally Posted by iruinedyourday [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It depends on who you think will reduce our debt, the bankers who borrow more money than god and pay no taxes? or the people who want to break up the bankers and tax them.

indeed

you have to regulate corporate greed from a few different angles.

otherwise you create an oligarch class that benefits from wage suppression. poor get poorer, rich get richer.

immigration = cheap labor, happy to be here, easy to exploit etc. = wage suppression (now seeing wage suppression in "white collar" IT jobs, as we bring in more Indians) wage suppression in typical "white men" jobs is a huge problem as now even the "privileged" class is suffering, and when they fall, everything falls..

As we have seen with permanent loss of salary and wages in the past 15-20 years. No rise, steady falls back to 1990.

So we have loss of jobs AND loss of good salary even when jobs are provided. Its a double whammy that will destroy the middle class.

[iruinedyourday]

Originally Posted by AzzarTheGod [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

indeed

you have to regulate corporate greed from a few different angles.

otherwise you create an oligarch class that benefits from wage suppression. poor get poorer, rich get richer.

immigration = cheap labor, happy to be here, easy to exploit etc. = wage suppression (now seeing wage suppression in "white collar" IT jobs, as we bring in more Indians) wage suppression in typical "white men" jobs is a huge problem as now even the "privileged" class is suffering, and when they fall, everything falls..

As we have seen with permanent loss of salary and wages in the past 15-20 years. No rise, steady falls back to 1990.

So we have loss of jobs AND loss of good salary even when jobs are provided. Its a double whammy that will destroy the middle class.

Yea, basic human income here we come!

In the California senate debate the leading rep nominee broached the subject of NOT raising the min wage and instead making sure if your income is sub a livable wage we subsidize what we need to to get you there.

Don't know if I trust this guy but after I look rough his history, if I think I can, he'll get my vote.

[sOurDieSel]

Originally Posted by maskedmelon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The idea that genetics drives success or behavior is racist because certain genetic populations suffer disproportionately from poor outcomes.

Aside from that it's just absurd, it's been well established families almost never share common personality/behavioral traits and those few that they do are exclusively the result of environmental influences.

Just keep your racist conjectures back in 1930 before people recognized them as such.

You just went full on retard PC bro

Just because something is 'racist' doesn't mean it isn't true.

Almost everyone accepts that genetics determine skin color, which it does. Then why would it be that far-fetched to propose that genetics determine IQ?

Look at public schools, kids of all different races are getting the same crappy education and most the time the same racial groups do better than others.

Genetics are everything, ask anyone who has ever bred a dog or any other animal for that matter.

But my mama said that race is a social construct and only a racist would say differently. (Look at your obamacare print out the next time you go to the doctor. I bet there will be two different boxes, one asking your race and another asking your ethnicity, damn those racist doctors and their medicine!! **When it comes to blood pressure medication they make one specifically for black people).

All animals are equal but some animals are more equal than others.

[Lune]

Originally Posted by PhilMcKracken [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This is completely wrong as well. Capital does have a lot to do with power but doesn't control everything. If this statement were true, Trump would be winning unquestionably. Consciousness and greater knowledge is the real power, money helps create false knowledge or greater consciousness of ones self but ideas are infectious and once the majority of people you know are voting one way, you do too. There are so many people who vote based on what their family, friends or significant other believe; or have only listened to biased from one side of the argument due to what knowledge is available or how their greater consciousness around them views things. As far as the Chinaman comment, socialism pressed or not, once the vast majority finds something unfair and decides to do something about it, it will be changed.

Trump is nothing. Dude only has a few billion dollars, and he has the full might of the establishment arrayed against him; hundreds of billions of dollars and an entire power and influence apparatus that spans the media, both our political parties, the financial sector, public opinion, and beyond. That he's made it this far is a miracle, and Clinton will bury him.

The fact that Ikabod is in here reciting the Fox News billionaire class platform like a mantra is evidence enough that money and influence have bought American public opinion and coerced them into voting against their own interest (also that they were pretty stupid to begin with). The fact that Trump, by all accounts a liberal until very recently, has picked the "right" side of the aisle to further his own personal brand, is inconsequential.

[JayDee]

I'd vote for morgan freeman cause his voice

[Lexical]

Bernie is p gud IMO, but he lacks a substantive argument as well as the vigor to take on a MSM backed Clinton. He is out of his league in this ring. More time given to minority opinions, like we had pre-Reagan, he would fair better, but alas, it wasn't meant to be in this political climate.

[Daywolf]

Originally Posted by PhilMcKracken [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The reason Hillary has the majority vote right now is because of women. There are so many women out there right now who want to try and put a women in the White House just because it asserts a change for women's social status. Other than that, her policies are shit, she's under fire with the whole email situation and basically a puppet. Most of Bernie's ideas are good but our national debt is already high enough and is more concerning than the social system. Trump's ideas are shit as well but he will be kept in par by all the checks and balances. I just like the idea of a businessman versus a politician running the country.

meh it's more of a matter of an arms race of sorts, in which the weapons are that of Edward Bernays' makings to wit people like Slick Willy confess to having been a mentor of and using such propaganda techniques to manipulate and shape destiny. You think that, and so does Lune, because they want you to think that, and know how to make you so to oblige their trickery.


“The conscious and intelligent manipulation of the organized habits and opinions of the masses is an important element in democratic society. Those who manipulate this unseen mechanism of society constitute an invisible government which is the true ruling power of our country. ...We are governed, our minds are molded, our tastes formed, our ideas suggested, largely by men we have never heard of. This is a logical result of the way in which our democratic society is organized. Vast numbers of human beings must cooperate in this manner if they are to live together as a smoothly functioning society. ...In almost every act of our daily lives, whether in the sphere of politics or business, in our social conduct or our ethical thinking, we are dominated by the relatively small number of persons...who understand the mental processes and social patterns of the masses. It is they who pull the wires which control the public mind.” ― Edward L. Bernays, Propaganda


And the opposing side in that arms race is of those that have woken up.

[Lune]

Originally Posted by Lexical [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Bernie is p gud IMO, but he lacks a substantive argument as well as the vigor to take on a MSM backed Clinton. He is out of his league in this ring. More time given to minority opinions, like we had pre-Reagan, he would fair better, but alas, it wasn't meant to be in this political climate.

If you think Bernie lacks a substantive argument, especially relative to the other candidates, you haven't been paying attention.

Here's 30 years of Bernie Sanders talking substance, nailing issues before most people even knew they were issues.