a few unofficial rules for ip exemption

[Cyrius]

Originally Posted by rioisk [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I don't feel I'm raging. Sure it's a messed up situation but I'm trying my best to present myself as clearly as possible. You are the one who seems to be raging with immediate character attacks/mockery.

Beside the point, your reply make me wonder if you lack trust or meaningful relationships in your life. Why do you assume I'm:

...they always try to preface it with some pretense that they're doing really doing it to champion some righteous fight against injustice.

Did you ever stop to think that may be I'm doing it because I realize after this experience that GMs here act like nazis with their decisions? May be if you knew our situation you'd know why I am intent on making sure people are aware of what goes on here. All I should say is, coming from knowing how much husband/wives, best friends, roommates, and so forth enjoy playing this game together, I think it's important for them to know so they don't accidentally arrive in similar situations and unknowingly face a ban.

My bro was unsure if he wanted to play in the first place, but after this event he laughed and asked me "Why would you want to be play on a server with GMs like that?". With all things considered, I can't help but agree.

So before you arrive at all sorts of assumption, perhaps you should take a breather and realize that not everybody here is out to lie, cheat, and steal, and genuinely just want to follow the rules and have a good time.

So you are suggesting we should belive everyone that says "my brother / mother / grandma / dog just went AFK, he brb!!"? Does that mean we should also belive those people that accuse others of two boxing? Why belive one if not the other? Quick! Let me ban half the server, since it has been accused by the other half to box!

Alot of the staff members put in the same amount or even more of their free time into developing or guiding on here, solving petitions, playing babysitter etc. then the hardcore raiders spend on raiding. We have our experiences, and we act accordingly. Give me ONE reason why i should belive you, that you did not actualy two box, but have a brother that just wants to leech exp of you? Do i know you? Are we friends since 20 years? Can i read your mind?

[Yak]

Originally Posted by Ihealyou [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Besides being a terrible idea, this is a great idea. How would this fix anything?

Why is it a terrible idea? The only reason they don't allow dual boxing is because it eats up bandwidth and bandwidth costs money. This is basic math and by donating would cover the cost for bandwidth. It would keep it simple and this issue would not be policed so much.

[Yak]

Originally Posted by Timzilla [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

How is yor scenario confusing in the least bit? Does the wife not know there's a camp/quit button?

It is only confusing to a retard who don't have a family. I was just stating this as an example. I said emergency. In an emergency you don't have that kind of time.

[Cyrius]

Originally Posted by Yak [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Why is it a terrible idea? The only reason they don't allow dual boxing is because it eats up bandwidth and bandwidth costs money. This is basic math and by donating would cover the cost for bandwidth. It would keep it simple and this issue would not be policed so much.

You are wrong, the reason is because Nilbog says so. He wants to foster a community, wich obviously worked. If everyone was allowed to multibox here, do you realy think the population would be as high as it is now? Maybe, but not with real players, but 200 people 4+ boxing. Is has absolutely nothing to do with bandwith or server capacity.

Donations are called donations for a reason. They do not entitle you to anything, they do not make you "special". Donations are used to keep the server up and running, to pay for the monthy hosting fees and the hardware. All in all donations enable you to play here the way you do. It is a priviledge to work on this server, and it is a priviledge to play on this server. It is in no way a "birth right" for everyone.

[Cyrius]

Originally Posted by Yak [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It is only confusing to a retard who don't have a family. I was just stating this as an example. I said emergency. In an emergency you don't have that kind of time.

So you sit so far away from your wifes computer that you can not stop playing for 5 seconds and type /camp or /exit on her computer when an "emergency" comes up that only your wife has to attend?

[Yak]

Originally Posted by Cyrius [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You are wrong, the reason is because Nilbog says so. He wants to foster a community, wich obviously worked. If everyone was allowed to multibox here, do you realy think the population would be as high as it is now? Maybe, but not with real players, but 200 people 4+ boxing. Is has absolutely nothing to do with bandwith or server capacity.

Donations are called donations for a reason. They do not entitle you to anything, they do not make you "special". Donations are used to keep the server up and running, to pay for the monthy hosting fees and the hardware. All in all donations enable you to play here the way you do. It is a priviledge to work on this server, and it is a priviledge to play on this server. It is in no way a "birth right" for everyone.

I thought it was a bandwidth issue costing more money? It it just the fact to remain true to classic spirit of not having any unfair advantage? I thought that I read on the forums it was a bandwidth issue. Could you please explain then why is multi-boxing not allowed and is it worth all this trouble? I wasn't implying that a donation entitles you to anything. I was simply implying that if multi-boxing it costing the hosting more money, would be away around it is all.

[Crone]

I can see both sides of this arguement, and it's unfortunate that the rules have to be what they are, because there is absolutely no way to prove whether or not this person was 2boxing or not, and with a rule like that you have to side with yes, he was. Ban. Too many have tried to lie and scheme their way out of bans for the server staff to act any differently.

One question I do have though is that I've gone afk following a friend of mine before while he experienced. IP exemptions were not involved, but I went to watch a movie, and he kept playing with me on follow.

Is this allowed? I figured it would be, because 2 different people, but only 1 is doing any work, but there isn't an IP exemption.

Thank you for any clarification.

[Cyrius]

I am sure Nilbog explained his reasons somewhere on this forum already. I am in no way entitled to speak for him or his reasons as to why those rules are here. I am a server guide, and i enforce those rules. Nilbog may have more reasons than i know, but the most important for me was the one i already stated. To encourage a feeling of community, to make people work together (like it was intended for EQ), and to not have a handfull of people box all content alone.

[Yak]

Originally Posted by Cyrius [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I am sure Nilbog explained his reasons somewhere on this forum already. I am in no way entitled to speak for him or his reasons as to why those rules are here. I am a server guide, and i enforce those rules. Nilbog may have more reasons than i know, but the most important for me was the one i already stated. To encourage a feeling of community, to make people work together (like it was intended for EQ), and to not have a handfull of people box all content alone.

No disrespect but are you honestly telling us that you just enforce the rules but have no idea why? I agree that regardless the owners of the server can do what they want. However, since we are having an open discussion it would be nice to know why or is that asking to much?

[rioisk2]

Originally Posted by Cyrius [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So you are suggesting we should belive everyone that says "my brother / mother / grandma / dog just went AFK, he brb!!"? Does that mean we should also belive those people that accuse others of two boxing? Why belive one if not the other? Quick! Let me ban half the server, since it has been accused by the other half to box!

Alot of the staff members put in the same amount or even more of their free time into developing or guiding on here, solving petitions, playing babysitter etc. then the hardcore raiders spend on raiding. We have our experiences, and we act accordingly. Give me ONE reason why i should belive you, that you did not actualy two box, but have a brother that just wants to leech exp of you? Do i know you? Are we friends since 20 years? Can i read your mind?

You know Cyrius, you're right. When it all comes down to it, anybody can figure out a way to rig anything. You have no reason to trust me. There is no real objective way to prove anything. People should know this is what they face when they get an exemption though, aside from just being told "One person per client". That rule doesn't mean much. As in the situation described by the husband/wife and the child emergency. Why should people have to consider how they "appear to be". For crying out loud, they're told the rule and they think they follow it, but alas, they "appear" otherwise, so they may face problems. I know how much these people enjoy playing together so I think they should be told/made aware that they can never "appear" to be boxing - ie there are very specific restrictions on your playing experience. My situation, for example, is one of them.

This isn't some benevolent crusade out of my own self interest. As I have stated, my brother said he doesn't want to play anymore after what happened anyways, even though we could rig up an alternative method to be able to play together anyways. Can't help but agree with him about not playing at this point too.