Yes another swarm kite post

[Bionic]

Originally Posted by Pokesan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Has to be, otherwise bards can legally train anyone who pulls off them.

[You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Good luck proving that there was any nefarious intent that you could positively ascribe to one's act of zoning. There are plenty of reasons that one might need to zone at any given moment. I've seen bards zone when they got a caster mob in their kite.

In the end, if you are going to pull mobs from bards, you had better realize that you could have agro from the entire train and that one lag spike could mean they are now coming for you.

You going to /petition because a bard died?

[Pokesan]

Originally Posted by Bionic [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

QED

[Pokesan]

If you wish to prove this in elf court, I advise you to eat the death rather than zoning out, as the latter could suggest malice. You're a bard and will get the exp back much faster than the person who 'stole' your mob(s).

[Bionic]

Burden of proof in any court is on the plaintiff, ie: the petitioner.

The petitioner would have to persuade the GM that the bard:

* knew they had taken some of the kite mobs
* were upset about it
* and knew by dying / zoning it would cause an exp death on the petitioning party.

Only thing the Bard would have to do is be calm and courteous while the GM dealt with you raging on the other end of the petition.

How do you think that'd go? Yup...

[MiRo2]

Originally Posted by Bionic [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The petitioner would have to persuade the GM that the bard:

* was disrupting the zone for other people
* was disrupting the zone for other people
* was disrupting the zone for other people

Fixed to match up with PNP.

[Bionic]

Originally Posted by MiRo2 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Fixed to match up with PNP.

People like you make me sick.

[Pokesan]

Originally Posted by Bionic [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Burden of proof in any court is on the plaintiff, ie: the petitioner.

The petitioner would have to persuade the GM that the bard:

* knew they had taken some of the kite mobs
* were upset about it
* and knew by dying / zoning it would cause an exp death on the petitioning party.

Only thing the Bard would have to do is be calm and courteous while the GM dealt with you raging on the other end of the petition.

How do you think that'd go? Yup...

We are in agreement. You have arrived where I was leading you. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

PSA to all bards - if someone steals mobs off your pull, you are under no obligation to save them from the train they chose to gain social agro on. Die or zone to remind them whos boss.

God bless you all.

[Troxx]

Originally Posted by Bionic [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Burden of proof in any court is on the plaintiff, ie: the petitioner.

The petitioner would have to persuade the GM that the bard:

* knew they had taken some of the kite mobs
* were upset about it
* and knew by dying / zoning it would cause an exp death on the petitioning party.

Only thing the Bard would have to do is be calm and courteous while the GM dealt with you raging on the other end of the petition.

How do you think that'd go? Yup...

No.

People are responsible for the mobs they pull. For bards, this means they are responsible for what mobs do after the bard no longer has aggro (either via zoning or death). If they pull a swarm of mobs and die/zone, they are responsible for the havoc the mobs they pulled wreck on anyone/everyone who gets killed due to their irresponsible pulling practices. Even if you legitimately die due to messing up your kite, you're responsible for what the mobs you failed to kill did after you die. This is especially true in zones/places where lots of other people hunt like CoM.

If you plead the case that it was an accident and it's only happened once, you might get off with a warning. Keep it up and you'll be suspended. If the GM/guide suspects you did it intentionally, don't be surprised when you get banned.

[Boilon]

I wasn't expecting my thread to still continue. But, I am glad to hear a response from some CSR over this, that is helpful. I haven't been online lately but my monk is still camped in CoM lol. If I see this again I will gladly pull a mob off, and I guess once I get it back to my camp I can easily flop off any remaining social agro.

[Bionic]

Originally Posted by Freezi [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Some Bard was swarming orcs in Oasis the other day while there was a grp at Orc hwy and I was soloing orcs off to the side on an alt. He was starving both of us out. So I kindly reminded everyone in /ooc that it was perfectly legal to pull singles off of a kite of more than 4 mobs.

Bard wasn't happy with me but it made me laugh and who doesn't like seeing scummy Bards get their parades rained on? He left after 2 more pull attempts and everyone rejoiced.

First time you did that to me I would have just zoned and let you have ALL of the mobs. You're lucky he was willing to be respectable, even though you weren't.

Don't get me wrong here, if there are groups present the bard should really limit his kite to allow there to be enough mobs for the others to exp off of, but if you look for opportunities come in and take mobs that any bard has rightfully pulled and AoE'd down, simply because he has more than 4, you're a scumbag.