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Old 03-18-2016, 10:55 AM
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Dont see how he would get suspended. He could have had to zone for different reasons (RL shit coming up) and the mobs would social aggro back to the groups who decided to take mobs off him. It's their own fault at that point for trusting the bard to not die or have something come up.

Granted the bard is also a douche for doing it, but you know, you could have also just talked to him and asked him to not do it there instead of trying to start a war between the zone and him. Normally you'll get better results... then again, this is elf sim, the land of the socially awkward neckbeards with no experience talking to people.
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Old 03-18-2016, 11:02 AM
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Has to be, otherwise bards can legally train anyone who pulls off them.
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Old 03-18-2016, 12:09 PM
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Has to be, otherwise bards can legally train anyone who pulls off them.
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Good luck proving that there was any nefarious intent that you could positively ascribe to one's act of zoning. There are plenty of reasons that one might need to zone at any given moment. I've seen bards zone when they got a caster mob in their kite.

In the end, if you are going to pull mobs from bards, you had better realize that you could have agro from the entire train and that one lag spike could mean they are now coming for you.

You going to /petition because a bard died?
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Old 03-18-2016, 12:20 PM
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Old 03-18-2016, 12:29 PM
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If you wish to prove this in elf court, I advise you to eat the death rather than zoning out, as the latter could suggest malice. You're a bard and will get the exp back much faster than the person who 'stole' your mob(s).
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Old 03-18-2016, 02:58 PM
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Burden of proof in any court is on the plaintiff, ie: the petitioner.

The petitioner would have to persuade the GM that the bard:

* knew they had taken some of the kite mobs
* were upset about it
* and knew by dying / zoning it would cause an exp death on the petitioning party.

Only thing the Bard would have to do is be calm and courteous while the GM dealt with you raging on the other end of the petition.

How do you think that'd go? Yup...
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Old 03-18-2016, 03:23 PM
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The petitioner would have to persuade the GM that the bard:

* was disrupting the zone for other people
* was disrupting the zone for other people
* was disrupting the zone for other people
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Old 03-18-2016, 03:25 PM
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Burden of proof in any court is on the plaintiff, ie: the petitioner.

The petitioner would have to persuade the GM that the bard:

* knew they had taken some of the kite mobs
* were upset about it
* and knew by dying / zoning it would cause an exp death on the petitioning party.

Only thing the Bard would have to do is be calm and courteous while the GM dealt with you raging on the other end of the petition.

How do you think that'd go? Yup...
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PSA to all bards - if someone steals mobs off your pull, you are under no obligation to save them from the train they chose to gain social agro on. Die or zone to remind them whos boss.

God bless you all.
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Old 03-18-2016, 05:40 PM
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I wasn't expecting my thread to still continue. But, I am glad to hear a response from some CSR over this, that is helpful. I haven't been online lately but my monk is still camped in CoM lol. If I see this again I will gladly pull a mob off, and I guess once I get it back to my camp I can easily flop off any remaining social agro.
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Old 03-18-2016, 05:51 PM
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Burden of proof in any court is on the plaintiff, ie: the petitioner.

The petitioner would have to persuade the GM that the bard:

* knew they had taken some of the kite mobs
* were upset about it
* and knew by dying / zoning it would cause an exp death on the petitioning party.

Only thing the Bard would have to do is be calm and courteous while the GM dealt with you raging on the other end of the petition.

How do you think that'd go? Yup...
No.

People are responsible for the mobs they pull. For bards, this means they are responsible for what mobs do after the bard no longer has aggro (either via zoning or death). If they pull a swarm of mobs and die/zone, they are responsible for the havoc the mobs they pulled wreck on anyone/everyone who gets killed due to their irresponsible pulling practices. Even if you legitimately die due to messing up your kite, you're responsible for what the mobs you failed to kill did after you die. This is especially true in zones/places where lots of other people hunt like CoM.

If you plead the case that it was an accident and it's only happened once, you might get off with a warning. Keep it up and you'll be suspended. If the GM/guide suspects you did it intentionally, don't be surprised when you get banned.
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