Trump vs ISIS

[Daywolf]

Originally Posted by p99soundsok [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Oh my... where do I begin? You're honestly way out of your league in this discussion. Please do some basic research and come back later, for this is clearly above your head. No offense.

Isn't it too early in the day for you to be drinking? Where to begin... heh snoops or sake, eh?

[iruinedyourday]

man after watching trump rile up people and try to get them to fight other random people.. its pretty clear the greatest threat to our nations security is TRUMP yikes

[iruinedyourday]

....uh, after Hillary of course.

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[p99soundsok]

Originally Posted by Daywolf [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Isn't it too early in the day for you to be drinking? Where to begin... heh snoops or sake, eh?

I don't drink. Stop projecting. Your validity has already evaporated in this argument. Kindly just stop embarrassing yourself now. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Originally Posted by iruinedyourday [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

man after watching trump rile up people and try to get them to fight other random people.. its pretty clear the greatest threat to our nations security is TRUMP yikes

Luckily, he will not win the general election. He's made far too many enemies... even a huge chunk of the evangelical Christian wing won't accept him.

[Patriam1066]

Originally Posted by Daywolf [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Nah you just ignore history, even to a few years prior to this. Iran was allied to Hitler, they were defeated if you recall. The victors of that war rightfully reforged the defeated countries, in an attempt to rebuild and redirect such governments so to not endlessly revisit hostilities.

After all, the Axis powers started the damn war. Maybe if such countries didn't throw their love and support behind Hitler, their outcomes may have been different. But maybes and what if's don't mean squat, they got their asses kicked and handed to them, and there was a price to pay for that.

And look where Germany and Japan are today, in a far better position due to their cooperation. And compare this to those countries that resisted, remaining in a perpetual state of strife.

1. The great game. Britain and Russia/USSR had been vying for Iranian control for over a century for oil and access to India.
2. Azerbaijan was conquered by the Russian empire. A Shia Muslim "nation" that had previously been integral Iranian territory for a long time.
3. Britain and the oilfields


Put those things together and it becomes the enemy of my enemy is my friend. Like Finland, Iran hated Russia / USSR so much that it aligned with Hitler's Germany. Also like Finland, that had nothing to do with ideology or fascism, it had to do with politics and nationalism.

As for cooperation, Iran was a democracy and aligned with Israel. All it wanted in return was a more equitable contract regarding oil concessions. BTW, the shah was given these more favorable term after the coup in 1953, but it didn't matter. He was seen as a puppet and would've fallen eventually regardless. He would've had to be a flawless leader to overcome the profound hatred that most rural and religious Iranians felt for him.

Ever heard of Persepolis? The shah hosted world leaders at the ancient Achaemenid capital. He put up pavilions and tents outside probably the most important site in the Persian psyche. I can't explain this to you, because you'd have to meet someone like my father, who was much younger at the time, but literally EVERYONE in the country hated this. Not only was the shah a coward who fled the country when the parliament started to take power, but he also formalized his status as a puppet by whoring not only current Iranians, but our 2500 year old capital for a collection of Western VIPs. My dad is barely Islamic today and not fond of the current government, but even he supported the ayatollah in 1979 because of this event.

In closing, daywolf, you provided a very simplistic explanation as to why Iran is the way that it is, but you ignored almost all historical context and the most critical aspect of Persian culture: Pride. Parading on the hallowed ground of Persepolis sealed Pahlavi's fate. But had America and Britain been more responsible, it would've never come to that.


If you're so inclined to educate yourself, I'd recommend "A History of Iran: Empire of the Mind" by Michael Axworthy and "Understanding Iran" by William R. Polk

[Daywolf]

Originally Posted by p99soundsok [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I don't drink. Stop projecting. Your validity has already evaporated in this argument. Kindly just stop embarrassing yourself now. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

What argument? all you are doing is ad hominem trolling, moron. Did you even know that Iran sided with Hitler? heh did you even know Hitler lost the war? What war, eh? [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] damn hilarious. Then all of the sudden ebil merka starts punking em around right after the war no damn reason? Well if you are not drunk, then your're high on dope.

[Pokesan]

fuck you daywolf

[iruinedyourday]

Originally Posted by p99soundsok [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Luckily, he will not win the general election. He's made far too many enemies... even a huge chunk of the evangelical Christian wing won't accept him.

At this rate, he gets 2 fans for every 1 enemy he makes.

[Daywolf]

Originally Posted by Patriam1066 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

In closing, daywolf, you provided a very simplistic explanation as to why Iran is the way that it is, but you ignored almost all historical context and the most critical aspect of Persian culture: Pride. Parading on the hallowed ground of Persepolis sealed Pahlavi's fate. But had America and Britain been more responsible, it would've never come to that.

I'm not ignoring history, I'm addressing events that led up to a certain point in context of the response. It didn't just suddenly start there which is my point, just as WWII existed and contributed to the results. Especially by their chosen aliment regardless of reasons, they pay the consequences. Just like Melons had a valid point that this is a result of some 1400 years of history that really they still hold to to this day with disdain. No one is ignoring history, but some are trying to pick and choose.

[Daywolf]

Originally Posted by iruinedyourday [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

man after watching trump rile up people and try to get them to fight other random people.. its pretty clear the greatest threat to our nations security is TRUMP yikes

They are sending waves of disrupt protesters at him, even charging the stage for who knows why. If any other candidate had undergone that, such people would still be in jail and under considerable investigation.

At first I was like "hmmm..." but realized after a day or two that Donald was right to threaten jail and lawsuits over this BS going on, it's underhanded, having happened at near every rally. Lefty liberalism only showing how dangerous it is, how two-face and the doubletalk it only knows. You should give that stuff up for lint, join the masses that appreciate reason over insanity, liberty over tyranny.

The lefty libs are deeply scared they are going to lose, and is attempting to turn it into a physical confrontation, widespread, to thwart the will of the people and bend it to their own purposes.