Ring war fail exploit

[MavstabYoudead]

Originally Posted by bktroost [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yeah, maybe you are right. Okay Devs, because this guy thinks it's better let's turn all raid mobs into instances. Please start passing out the raid mob tokens to spawn them at will.

it's not even close to an "instance". everyone has the same ability to mobilize. if you are feeling so bad about potentially exploiting this then if you guys attempt/fail a ring war just don't go for the dain afterwards...

again awakened loses out on ring war loot when ring wars are failed. it's definitely someone just selling the ring MQs.

[Fanguru]

So how is the ring war an exploit, exactly?

When Awakened triggers and wins a ring war, are they exploiting?
There is no Dain repop, it is working as intended.

When anyone fails a ring war, are they exploiting?
Of course it is an exploit if the goal is to make an 8th ring holder get a 9th.

What about a legit attempt like CSG could do? Are you considering the whole ring war an exploit just because you might lose and shorten Dain's intended repop?
You could get Dain's time of death, wait till its window opens next week and start your ring war. Then there is no extra pixel added to the server (besides, you'll probably win, I believe in you! [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] ).

About killing Dain himself after the failed ring war, is that the exploit? Leaving a raid mob up intentionally is definitely not classic, and I think all guilds killing Dain have a rule against their players triggering a repop without an attempt.
In any case, I do hope the GMs investigate individual players doing this shady stuff and ban them.

[Cheps]

The exploit is to trigger the war with no intent to win, i.e. not having a raid force ready, with the goal to spawn a Dain who should not spawn.

Whether you do this for ring 9 final hand in or to kill the Dain for loot is the same IMHO.

Now if someone not from your guild does it, is it an exploit to take advantage of it? That's something to discuss. Maybe Dain shouldn't be killed until his "real" window opens.

[Pan]

Plenty of discussion on this subject here:

https://www.project1999.com/forums/s...d.php?t=220783

[Culkasi]

Of course its okay to attempt to actually win over the Ring War. Noone is really argueing that. Unfortunately, someone thinks they can win the ring war with 15 people at 6am, but luckily has 60 people to kill Dain a cpl of hrs later - that is the exploit, and everyone here knows that, even though some justify it because "the others also do it".
We (CSG) will take a legitimate shot at doing the Ring War sometime in the near future, however we will NOT kill the Dain that may spawn should we fail, because that is, until otherwise stated by GMs, not a Dain that should spawn, and as such an exploit. Even more so when ring wars are being triggered with the clear sole purpose of spawning said Dain. And everyone who claims that doesn't happen, needs to get off the coolaid.

[Lojik]

Originally Posted by Tankdan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

it is a big sacrifice waking up at very odd hours, its not healthy and not normal behavior.

Originally Posted by Tankdan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Immersion levels over 9000

[Tuljin]

Originally Posted by Lojik [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

-----hilarious hypocritical quotes about immersion levels-----

roflmaoooooo

[MavstabYoudead]

Originally Posted by Culkasi [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Of course its okay to attempt to actually win over the Ring War. Noone is really argueing that. Unfortunately, someone thinks they can win the ring war with 15 people at 6am, but luckily has 60 people to kill Dain a cpl of hrs later - that is the exploit, and everyone here knows that, even though some justify it because "the others also do it".
We (CSG) will take a legitimate shot at doing the Ring War sometime in the near future, however we will NOT kill the Dain that may spawn should we fail, because that is, until otherwise stated by GMs, not a Dain that should spawn, and as such an exploit. Even more so when ring wars are being triggered with the clear sole purpose of spawning said Dain. And everyone who claims that doesn't happen, needs to get off the coolaid.

Please post any logs showing 15 people attempting a ring war and then showing up with 60 for the dain. You won't be able to because it is a terrible example that doesn't happen. The recent dain spawns have been from people selling MQs.

Again failing the war has been bugging out the heroes, so the only guild that has killed the ring war is the one being hurt.

[Fanguru]

Originally Posted by Culkasi [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Unfortunately, someone thinks they can win the ring war with 15 people at 6am, but luckily has 60 people to kill Dain a cpl of hrs later

If you find any evidence of that, please submit it to both GMs and leadership of the incriminated people's guild.
A monk afk FD at throne room or at sentry Badain could provide logs of the guilty person.
-> Sentry Badain says 'I'll be right with you, _____.'
-> Dain Frostreaver IV says, 'My good ______, you have served me well.

FA and Awakened can both muster a Dain kill force at pretty much anytime of the day. This is what cutthroat competition has brought: huge guild rosters with people from all around the globe.
It is no mobilization miracle to send a batphone saying Dain pops in a couple hours.

[Daldaen]

Honest question:

Let's say everyone adopts CSG's view of the Dain. It's an exploit spawn and shouldn't be killed...

When is it deemed okay to be killed? I mean, if he is an exploit and can't be killed then the non-exploit Dain cannot spawn, meaning no one can kill Dain until a server reset spawns a legitimate Dain? Do you wait until his real window would've started? Ended? Midpoint?

I don't think anyone is ignorant of the fact that Ring Wars are purposefully being failed to spawn Dains. However I think the only reason people are doing this is to avoid the 16-hour window on Dain, and use him as a quest vessel. Either to complete a 9th Ring or get a new Declaration of War. While I definitely don't condone it, with the fact in mind that City Leaders (Dain included) all had an exact 7 day respawn on live, I can empathize with people wanting to use this bug to skip a non-classic 16 hour variance window camping a simple turn in mob.

No one has purposefully failed the war just to kill the Dain. Guilds just catch word that Thurg or Icewell are down and know roughly when a Dain will spawn after someone else failed the war.

I'd LOVE if there were code that would require say 50+ characters in GD to trigger a Ring War. Just so that these 6AM fails, or any non-coordinated fail for that matter, isn't a possibility. Fails would only really happen when guilds make legitimate attempts at the war and happen to fall short of the tanking/healing or DPS checks in the event. Dunno how feasible this is though...

Would be cool if Nilbog fixes the respawn triggering a Dain also.