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[Nirgon]

maybe the opposition shouldn't be newbie griefers for once?

Like literally recruiting and helping new players do things wins.

Being an ultra elitist weirdo who thinks shitting up xp groups with full raid buffs only works for so long.

[Drakaris]

Originally Posted by Nirgon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

maybe the opposition shouldn't be newbie griefers for once?

Like literally recruiting and helping new players do things wins.

Being an ultra elitist weirdo who thinks shitting up xp groups with full raid buffs only works for so long.

I was in GG and TMO trying to offer alternative exp options. Prior to velious you had TMO so griefed that they would literally exp in the bear pits and were bleeding players. Even then you would have ppl bound there that would aggro trains to the entrance to wipe out the group and pick them off when they were CRimg. I watched that shit happen with my own eyes.

You guys did everything to kill off any potential opposition.

[Xaanka]

Originally Posted by Drakaris [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I was in GG and TMO trying to offer alternative exp options. Prior to velious you had TMO so griefed that they would literally exp in the bear pits and were bleeding players. Even then you would have ppl bound there that would aggro trains to the entrance to wipe out the group and pick them off when they were CRimg. I watched that shit happen with my own eyes.

You guys did everything to kill off any potential opposition.

that's the thing though, empire eventually fucked off and <friends> core started showing up to every single one of our raids with all their monks and SK's to train us and such. then <friends> started invading our teamspeak, at first just using it to do things like park on a camped out raid force for 3 hours, but eventually moving on to straight up relaying our teamspeak live into their server (a bunch of friends member admitted to doing this, told me they felt scummy about it etc)

the only time tmo ever had an attempt on new content was statue of rallos zek after <empire> cleared friends out of the zone, which we got to 31% with 22 players (6x sub-60, mostly alts and late night D team) before running out of cleric mana.

source: i attended the most tmo raids out of any player except maybe <friends> core (kek)

[Drakaris]

Originally Posted by Xaanka [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

that's the thing though, empire eventually fucked off and <friends> core started showing up to every single one of our raids with all their monks and SK's to train us and such. then <friends> started invading our teamspeak, at first just using it to do things like park on a camped out raid force for 3 hours, but eventually moving on to straight up relaying our teamspeak live into their server (a bunch of friends member admitted to doing this, told me they felt scummy about it etc)

the only time tmo ever had an attempt on new content was statue of rallos zek after <empire> cleared friends out of the zone, which we got to 31% with 22 players (6x sub-60, mostly alts and late night D team) before running out of cleric mana.

source: i attended the most tmo raids out of any player except maybe <friends> core (kek)

Not sure what the politics / strategy behind doing that was.

I think you guys absorbing pandemonium may have pissed ppl off, but all out grief war is a poor strategic choice since the natural reaction would feed into empire upon collapsing.

I can't really comment as I wasn't there but there were a few new croots from the collapse so I'm sure there is another side to this.

[Xaanka]

Originally Posted by Drakaris [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Not sure what the politics / strategy behind doing that was.

I think you guys absorbing pandemonium may have pissed ppl off, but all out grief war is a poor strategic choice since the natural reaction would feed into empire upon collapsing.

I can't really comment as I wasn't there but there were a few new croots from the collapse so I'm sure there is another side to this.

i didn't really understand the logic behind it either. from what i understand and have been told by friends in <friends> the motivation was simply butthurt over the tmo leadership's decision to attempt to raid velious on release day instead of killing uncontested kunark dragons. which <friends> was totally right about, but from what i've heard the grudge continued. the pandemonium absorption is when it got really bad though, you're correct. after training us the day we absorbed pandemonium, <friends> core players were telling us in /say and tells that they would grief every single one of our raids until we disbanded. i could probably dig the quotes out of my log file but i don't think anyone on here needs convincing the <friends> core and leadership are scummy as hell (see: vapo trying to petitionquest me for pwning him on a lvl 52 cleric)

[Damn]

Originally Posted by Xaanka [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

that's the thing though, empire eventually fucked off and <friends> core started showing up to every single one of our raids with all their monks and SK's to train us and such. then <friends> started invading our teamspeak, at first just using it to do things like park on a camped out raid force for 3 hours, but eventually moving on to straight up relaying our teamspeak live into their server (a bunch of friends member admitted to doing this, told me they felt scummy about it etc)

the only time tmo ever had an attempt on new content was statue of rallos zek after <empire> cleared friends out of the zone, which we got to 31% with 22 players (6x sub-60, mostly alts and late night D team) before running out of cleric mana.

source: i attended the most tmo raids out of any player except maybe <friends> core (kek)

You're a legitimate delusional psychopath of maximillien levels

[Drakaris]

And when velious launched you literally had people sit at TMOs bind points for hours, you had over 110 people on raids and kept 2 groups at the temporary guild bind point. Shit was hilarious.

[Nirgon]

TMO had it in the bag if they took top RA spots and geared up while simultaneously denying other Empire members gear. From there they just needed a reason to cause a rift in the guild and cause a split to take people with them.

But no.

They had to put pride and their blue status before a well laid strat full of common sense. You can't just walk on this server and beat a highly cohesive, well oiled machine that has worked together in a PvP setting head on.

I mean they really had a chance and blew it due to ego. "I guarantee it" :/

Woulda been way more interesting but, alas.

If you think there's people who are super excited about raiding with AoW numbers that don't want a strong alternative, you're very wrong.

Friendly reminder: don't ally with the garbage of the box, do your own thing (they will fuck you over every single opportunity... stepping over dollars to pick up dimes), don't pick a huge fight with the #1 guild until you are ready.

[Drakaris]

Originally Posted by Nirgon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

TMO had it in the bag if they took top RA spots and geared up while simultaneously denying other Empire members gear. From there they just needed a reason to cause a rift in the guild and cause a split to take people with them.

But no.

They had to put pride and their blue status before a well laid strat full of common sense. You can't just walk on this server and beat a highly cohesive, well oiled machine that has worked together in a PvP setting head on.

I mean they really had a chance and blew it due to ego. "I guarantee it" :/

Woulda been way more interesting but, alas.

If you think there's people who are super excited about raiding with AoW numbers that don't want a strong alternative, you're very wrong.

Friendly reminder: don't ally with the garbage of the box, do your own thing (they will fuck you over every single opportunity... stepping over dollars to pick up dimes), don't pick a huge fight with the #1 guild until you are ready.

Nirgon, they were already bleeding members to empire. When push came to shove the loyalty of those members were empire and they used GG as an excuse. I guarantee if TMO was #1 those players would have gone to TMO.

It's the nature of this box. Pixels attracts players and the top guild uses numbers to subdue the opposition.

If lite recruited the server when azrael was on top they would have won the box indefinitely.

[Nirgon]

Originally Posted by Drakaris [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If lite recruited the server when azrael was on top they would have won the box indefinitely.

And not sold Sektor a PD robe, and not been a shit bag to new players? Sure, I might agree. If he was a completely different person with the same play time, yeah.