What's the reason

[Kergan]

Originally Posted by silo32 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

this

too bad azrael cried and set up nilly but people like sektors who blatenly rmt can continue to play here because they called the police first

shits dumb not classic let nizzar return unban all the accounts pvp will flourish

As much as I think Sektor is a weirdo creeper, Nizz fired the first shots in that whole ordeal. Not that I blame Nizz, I'm sure it gets pretty annoying when someone is essentially cold calling well geared members of your guild through the PM function on the guild website to try and get them to cash out.

[Kergan]

They are not going to shit up the vastly more popular server by dumping an entire tier 1 raiding guild onto an already crowded raid scene, so stop posting that retarded idea.

[Bazia]

i dont know how with a straight face you can say that a wipe wouldn't result in more population than the 40 people playing this server currently

pretty sad, at least when the 20 nihilum were farming dead classic they knew there was more content ahead

[heartbrand]

Originally Posted by Bazia [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

i dont know how with a straight face you can say that a wipe wouldn't result in more population than the 40 people playing this server currently

pretty sad, at least when the 20 nihilum were farming dead classic they knew there was more content ahead

If you're going to exaggerate, at least try to keep the numbers somewhat realistic. There's 200+ prime time on this server. There's also far more content to devour on a weekly basis here for raiders than there was in classic/kunark for Nihilum. You had VS, the weekly dragons, and VP, which made up maybe 5-6 hours raiding total, not including Trakannon cuz fuck Trakannon.

As far as Easy lee or w/e his name is, he makes a pretty huge logical error in his reasoning. He first states how EQ PVP is about the PVP blah blah chest thumping stuff about getting bluebies off the server, then proceeds to talk about PVP over all the desirable camps in classic [PvE]. Unfortunately for Mr. Easy Lee, there are very few "desirable camps" to fight over, they ultimately amount to Manastone and Rubi BP, both of which are legacy items and get taken out. Coincidentally, those were the only two camps with any regular PvP in classic, and even that PvP was usually the same 6-8 people on a daily basis [bacon, hector, natural, ruthbader], and once they came out there was basically none. Why? Because there's nothing worth fucking fighting for in classic because there's so little fucking content.

Like I said, it will be fun for 2 weeks when everyone is killing each other @ derv camps and what not, and quickly turn into another ghost town when people start maxing out and having nothing to do again other than port around doing /who in guk and sol b to see if anyone is there.

The real solution is new meaningful content that keeps people actively playing, such as AA's, which increases the pop online and creates constant PvP opportunities.

[TheDuck]

i hate the azrael/friends mentality that this game should go to them, instead of them going to the game.

sitting there and saying this game is pvp orientated is not true. the game is loot driven, the pvp comes into play when one person or one guild wants the loot from the other. In order to make this happen you need to build your character or guild to compete against the other.

[HippoNipple]

Originally Posted by TheDuck [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

i hate the azrael/friends mentality that this game should go to them, instead of them going to the game.

sitting there and saying this game is pvp orientated is not true. the game is loot driven, the pvp comes into play when one person or one guild wants the loot from the other. In order to make this happen you need to build your character or guild to compete against the other.

The PvP you describe sounds great in concept but reality is someone seeing who is in zone and leaving before a fight happens because they know what the outcome would be. This can be guild vs guild or someone leveling and seeing a certain guild tag enter the zone. It is rare that two equal forces go at it for the chance at loot.

The only PvP that happens ends up being gank crews going around knocking people out that have no chance, which is actually the azrael/friends mentality you say shouldn't exist.

I would guess the majority of the kills on the leader boards didn't result in the killer looting some item that they needed to PvP for.

[heartbrand]

Vox doesn't take a large raid? I guess you're forgetting Classic EQ on Red99 where Nihilum was doing Vox with 30+, numbers that were derided as a "zerg" at the time. The same shit will happen all over again. The people who care about killing dragons on a weekly basis will all join the guild, the so-called "PvPers" will cry foul about how these dragon slayers number far too many and are "ruining" the server by killing nagafen & vox, and everything will repeat itself.

The issue again is three-fold:

1) Not enough content to keep people online consistently outside of raids. Classic doesn't fix this issue long term, it just provides a quick short term fix as people race to max their characters again.

2) No PvP incentive in EQ to PvP over anything not PvE related.

3) For some reason I still can't comprehend, unlike every other game and even EQ Live where contesting for targets is a source of pride and fun, contesting on red99 for raid mobs is considered "blue" and "bad." As long as the chest thumpers continue to pretend that fighting for raid mobs is pointless, there will never be meaningful consistent pvp.

[easy_lee]

Originally Posted by heartbrand [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Vox doesn't take a large raid? I guess you're forgetting Classic EQ on Red99 where Nihilum was doing Vox with 30+, numbers that were derided as a "zerg" at the time. The same shit will happen all over again. The people who care about killing dragons on a weekly basis will all join the guild, the so-called "PvPers" will cry foul about how these dragon slayers number far too many and are "ruining" the server by killing nagafen & vox, and everything will repeat itself.

The issue again is three-fold:

1) Not enough content to keep people online consistently outside of raids. Classic doesn't fix this issue long term, it just provides a quick short term fix as people race to max their characters again.

2) No PvP incentive in EQ to PvP over anything not PvE related.

3) For some reason I still can't comprehend, unlike every other game and even EQ Live where contesting for targets is a source of pride and fun, contesting on red99 for raid mobs is considered "blue" and "bad." As long as the chest thumpers continue to pretend that fighting for raid mobs is pointless, there will never be meaningful consistent pvp.

Contesting is great. Everyone agrees contesting is great, except zerg raiders. The problem is that it isn't happening anymore, and can't happen in velious with our small population.

You've yet to offer a single suggestion beyond leaving shit the way it is or childishly demanding that the devs create more PvE content for you. I've offered ways to fix shit which require next to nothing of the devs and would bring this server back to classic where it should be.

I'm not the only one offering ideas, and several people have come up with similar alternatives. The only things you've done are push the status quo and demand more free content.

And you think I'm the problem? Hah.

[garzahd`]

Originally Posted by easy_lee [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Contesting is great. Everyone agrees contesting is great, except zerg raiders. The problem is that it isn't happening anymore, and can't happen in velious with our small population.

You've yet to offer a single suggestion beyond leaving shit the way it is or childishly demanding that the devs create more PvE content for you. I've offered ways to fix shit which require next to nothing of the devs and would bring this server back to classic where it should be.

I'm not the only one offering ideas, and several people have come up with similar alternatives. The only things you've done are push the status quo and demand more free content.

And you think I'm the problem? Hah.

sorry not sorry that velious is an expansion that requires a substantial amount of players to kill the end content it offers. sorry you have no friends that you can do this with hehe. people don't play this game for pvp they play to to relive the Everquest pixel grind. go back to blue fuktard.

[heartbrand]

Originally Posted by easy_lee [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Contesting is great. Everyone agrees contesting is great, except zerg raiders. The problem is that it isn't happening anymore, and can't happen in velious with our small population.

You've yet to offer a single suggestion beyond leaving shit the way it is or childishly demanding that the devs create more PvE content for you. I've offered ways to fix shit which require next to nothing of the devs and would bring this server back to classic where it should be.

I'm not the only one offering ideas, and several people have come up with similar alternatives. The only things you've done are push the status quo and demand more free content.

And you think I'm the problem? Hah.

Your alternative is wipe, and wipe alone. I've now explained several times in detail as to why a wipe isn't a solution. Look at every "new" shiny server there has been, from devnoob, to VZTZ, to progression servers on live. They all offer the same instant population influx that dramatically drops off after a week or two. You've offered no real solution to change anything that will stop the exact same thing from repeating itself. The people who care about progressing their characters will continue to raid this game religiously like a second [or perhaps first] job, and the so-called mainly european time zone player "pvpers" will continue to cry zerg and do nothing about it.

There have been plenty of alternate guilds that have popped up that had chances to contest, but the chest thumpers preferred griefing them off the box or into Empire, rather than working with them.

The problem is the playerbase and the lack of content.

The End.