Chardok PL and PnP

[nyclin]

Originally Posted by thufir [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Callin BS here. 2) in particular rankles; it is the explicit PoV of the high end raiding scene, and only them. Thanks for dismissing the rest of us, big fella. But 1) is a crock too. I'd say most people who start on p99 aren't starting just so they can make enough cash to powerlevel other toons. They're playing to play, because the game is enjoyable to them in a way it no longer is to those who express this viewpoint.

Whatever, as long as GMs/guides will support the PnP and side with people XPing in Chardok instead of proxy pulls that's fine with me. Hopefully, the revamp will make the whole proxy thing either greatly more difficult or impossible. (Just make one out of every ten mobs immune to stun. Problem solved. Not classic, I know.)

i'm not a high end raider and my main was only in a guild for about 2 months

i doubt that most people start here with the intention of making cash to powerlevel alts, but i'd wager that it becomes a goal for at least some of them

my admittedly acerbic post was meant to illustrate the point that people will play in a way that they find enjoyable. if someone wants to farm cash to pay for chardok proxies, who are you to say that they are less of a player or worse of a player than someone who doesn't?

[Malbolshia]

Originally Posted by nyclin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

because that's how some people want to spend their plat?

I solo charmed levels from 33 to about 48 in Nurga/Droga.

Usually about 1-4 pp per mob, goblin forged chain that sells for about 15pp-35pp per piece. I probably spent about a month in a half grinding plat and levels there.

You know how much plat I made minus spells? About 800pp.

My point is, unless all these people 'spending their plat' farmed non stop fungi tunics or CoF's, they still wouldn't have enough plat to go from low 40's to level 60 at 2k per pull.....

Unless they RMT'd

Great way for the GM's to find people RMTing. Investigate those buying PL's in Chardok.

Here, let me quote this part for you, as it seems you left it out of yours.

Its not my intention to ruin whatever people on this server want to pay for, I just don't want my experience ruined by a bunch of RMT jerks blatantly breaking the PnP policy on this server

[nyclin]

there are lots of ways to make money without RMT

also i'd wager most people who are buying chardok pulls are buying them for alts or friends, not first mains

[Juevento]

Originally Posted by nyclin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

there are lots of ways to make money without RMT

also i'd wager most people who are buying chardok pulls are buying them for alts or friends, not first mains

I feel like you are incredibly naive about RMT on this server. If you don't really think people are grinding out rent checks via Chardok aoe, you are smoking something. It's crazy town to think this is still permitted here.

[Spyder73]

I absolutely want to vomit anytime I agree with Juevento, but unfortunately he is 100% correct. Chardok single handedly ruined the server in my opinion, if there is ever a Green 99 - please remove Chardok, its not classic no matter what Calias wants to believe.

I challenge ANYONE to go there for an afternoon and witness the madness that is Chardok AoE and tell me its classic. Its a warp from 50-60 in 1-2 days, its bull sh!t

[indiscriminate_hater]

Originally Posted by Malbolshia [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I solo charmed levels from 33 to about 48 in Nurga/Droga.

Usually about 1-4 pp per mob, goblin forged chain that sells for about 15pp-35pp per piece. I probably spent about a month in a half grinding plat and levels there.

You know how much plat I made minus spells? About 800pp.

My point is, unless all these people 'spending their plat' farmed non stop fungi tunics or CoF's, they still wouldn't have enough plat to go from low 40's to level 60 at 2k per pull.....

Unless they RMT'd

Great way for the GM's to find people RMTing. Investigate those buying PL's in Chardok.

Here, let me quote this part for you, as it seems you left it out of yours.

that's hard to believe you only made 800pp, even accounting for spell purchases. i think i made on the order of 3k from centaurs in SK from levels 22-30. although i suppose this was with a 40% exp penalty in a no-zem-boost outdoor zone.

[indiscriminate_hater]

Originally Posted by Juevento [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I feel like you are incredibly naive about RMT on this server. If you don't really think people are grinding out rent checks via Chardok aoe, you are smoking something. It's crazy town to think this is still permitted here.

i think you're the naive one here. with the going pp rate of proxy pulls, a quick google search would show that selling a single chardok proxy pull yields about 4 bucks worth of pp, which makes a hypothetical rate of $8/hr. and this is assuming no wipes or other slowdowns.

[nyclin]

Originally Posted by Juevento [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I feel like you are incredibly naive about RMT on this server. If you don't really think people are grinding out rent checks via Chardok aoe, you are smoking something. It's crazy town to think this is still permitted here.

i don't doubt that there are people using the money they make from chardok AOE to RMT, or people using RMT'd plat to pay for proxies

however, framing it exclusively as the realm of players who RMT is overgeneralizing

I challenge ANYONE to go there for an afternoon and witness the madness that is Chardok AoE and tell me its classic. Its a warp from 50-60 in 1-2 days, its bull sh!t

it's classic and it happened on live, and chardok was not the only zone that people would AOE in.

[Malbolshia]

Originally Posted by indiscriminate_hater [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

that's hard to believe you only made 800pp, even accounting for spell purchases. i think i made on the order of 3k from centaurs in SK from levels 22-30. although i suppose this was with a 40% exp penalty in a no-zem-boost outdoor zone.

The majority of my coin went to spells.

Spells like Reoccurring Amnesia, Allure, Shifting Deeds, Blanket of Forgetfulness.

Each cost me anywhere from 100-200 pp per spell.

Due to the rarity of them, the seller had me by the balls.

Peridots also have a significant cost for Rune IV. 200pp a stack, and usually go through a rune for each pull for charm breaks.

The rest went to vendor bought spells, food/drink and mostly paying for ports too Kunark from EC or ports to WC from OT. 60pp a pop there as well. and pretty frequent due to the overwhelming amount of weight in my bags from loot.

Also, from your sig looks like you play a bard, must be nice only having to buy one song per level.

[Malbolshia]

Originally Posted by indiscriminate_hater [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

i think you're the naive one here. with the going pp rate of proxy pulls, a quick google search would show that selling a single chardok proxy pull yields about 4 bucks worth of pp, which makes a hypothetical rate of $8/hr. and this is assuming no wipes or other slowdowns.

$8 per hour - 8 hour session = $64 per day
$64 per day - 7 days a week = $448 per week
$448 per week - 4 weeks in a month = $1792 per month

Seems like a pretty nice revenue stream for playing a video game to me.

Depending where you live, $1792 can yield a real nice apartment or house.

I can see why those who are displeased with this thread want to validate what they do.

Also, the simple fact that searching google actually gives results on the going rate of P99 plat is pretty much the smoking gun.