Discussion on 20 minute engage rule for undead bard (trak guts) when next patch comes

[Fanguru]

There is a minimum effort to provide.
The other guild/force does not owe you anything and could use the MQ funds for resist gear / PLing guild toones / recharges / whatever.

On the other hand, you could make an agreement with a guild beforehand, contacting them and saying: "Look, I can trigger Trak but I need help to kill him. Help me out and you get the BP, I get the guts".
Some up-and-coming guilds cannot compete on Trak currently, but could be interested if it is scheduled and provides them with experience on the encounter.

Also, as Kileras said, white scales will still be the main bottleneck.

[Man0warr]

I think with Velious content eating up so much time, established raiding guilds don't have much interest in socking gut + bp only trak or even regular trak.

Regular Trak is still heavily contested for VP keys.

Also, as Kileras said, white scales will still be the main bottleneck.

The problem is someone could get the Lute body from turning in scales and since you get it back from the Undead Bard when handing in, one person (doesn't even have to be a bard) could just keep that Lute Body forever and farm Fake Trak for BPs.

[Daldaen]

Originally Posted by Man0warr [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Regular Trak is still heavily contested for VP keys.



The problem is someone could get the Lute body from turning in scales and since you get it back from the Undead Bard when handing in, one person (doesn't even have to be a bard) could just keep that Lute Body forever and farm Fake Trak for BPs.

I don't see anyone doing this.

I can see us keeping a communal Lute Body to get bards their Trak guts so that once they get scales they are done... I absolutely don't see us turning in Lute Body to try for the 1 BP or to sell Trak guts.

It's a daily spawn and there are only so many bards. I'm not too terribly concerned about this one.

People really shouldn't try to rule lawyer this, just let the dude who turns in get their fight done, there is no hurry.

[Man0warr]

Originally Posted by Daldaen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

People really shouldn't try to rule lawyer this, just let the dude who turns in get their fight done, there is no hurry.

I don't think it will be an issue either, maybe the first month or two as all the guilded bards with White Scales in bank rush to finish. Was just pointing out the method exists.

Well, prepare to see faster regular trak engages with smaller numbers now that guilds can practice once a day if they wish.

Not sure it's comparable - Fast Trak engages are more about dealing with the adds, and that variable won't be present. Plus Fake Trak doesn't get time to buff, and it may just be weaker as well. I'm pretty sure the Fake VS for instance is easier - just some googling found this:

Venril Sathir (Triggered)
~18k HP
Has a 1500pt Lifetap that is either proc or spell. It does not go off as often as the real VS making this version much easier to kill.
Drops:
2 Pulsing Green Stones for Druid/Ranger Epic
Iksar Shaman Quest piece (Blackened bones or something)
Does NOT drop Kunark class pants or anything else

[Ele]

Originally Posted by Oleris [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Well, prepare to see faster regular trak engages with smaller numbers now that guilds can practice once a day if they wish.

Originally Posted by Man0warr [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Not sure it's comparable - Fast Trak engages are more about dealing with the adds, and that variable won't be present. Plus Fake Trak doesn't get time to buff, and it may just be weaker as well.

Correct me if I am wrong, but doesn't UDB spawn in the middle of the trak's lair with Prot and juggs wandering around him? And you have to kill UDB before the fake trak spawns?

Even if you train out the lair, then send in your crew to turn in/kill UDB to spawn trak, your crew will be in the lair when Trak spawns. That isn't the same as a rush trak engage.

I guess you could pull out the UDB, kill him, let everything reset, then do a rush engage/train away. That depends if Trak spawns in his lair (like ragefire) or on the UDB death spot or if UDB is rooted or not.

[Ravager]

Originally Posted by Daldaen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I don't see anyone doing this.

I can see us keeping a communal Lute Body to get bards their Trak guts so that once they get scales they are done... I absolutely don't see us turning in Lute Body to try for the 1 BP or to sell Trak guts.

I can totally see Omni doing this. Have you met Gats?

Even if the guts rot, that doesn't make them free. How much rotted in VP over the years that had a 250k price tag?

[Vallanor]

I think we're looking for a solution to a problem that doesn't exist (yet). If it's a shit show a month after the patch, then something can be worked out.

[Atmas]

Originally Posted by Vallanor [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I think we're looking for a solution to a problem that doesn't exist (yet). If it's a shit show a month after the patch, then something can be worked out.

Yep, this is probably a very pointless thread. Treating this like a Fermi problem:
-There are about 1500 active players a night, the total population is higher but we really only care about the number of people who can log on per night.

-Bards are 1/14 of all classes but I think a less represented class overall so I will say 1/25 (there are some other factors here like how many actually play a bard past 50)
-Lets say the average player has 2 toons they play to sufficient level for this to matter. (I know some have many more, many have none at all)

3000 * 1/21 * 2 = 285ish

Now this is kind of hard for me because of generally playing in hardcore guilds. The average likeliness of an end game bard having an epic is? 40%? (WAG) So we say

143 * .6 = 86

Then another difficult one is what is the chance your guild has a scale for your bard. I don't really think every guild has a stock pile so maybe 1/3 chance your guild, assuming you have one, has one for you.

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The number of days a guild that actively raids and goes after targets would be willing to have people do this for you and nothing else where they would have toons parked etc. Basically the likeliness that you can get a raid force ready at the spawn time that is reoccurring (another WAG, think Im being generous) 3/7

12 per night and probably drop pretty quick.

All This could all be way off and the numbers might be swollen for the first couple of days but I guarantee they will tapper off quickly. Consider the 8th ring quest which the lead up work can be done in a day, used on multiple characters, sometimes done twice for the same toon, and doesn't require 3 groups to complete only has nightly rollers in the teens. Also people aren't making new epic level bards nearly as quickly.

So maybe expect this to be an issue for a month? Im sure there will be some farming like there is with Ragefire but on the whole much less likely.

In conclusion / TL;DR there are more bard swarming complaints than posts about bard epics. Clearly bards should be banned.

[Oleris]

Well, prepare to see faster regular trak engages with smaller numbers now that guilds can practice once a day if they wish.

[Spyder73]

The question is not "will fake Trak be a sh!t show". If you are asking this question then you do not truly understand the insanity that is the P99 player base. The question is "for how long will fake Trak be a sh!t show", and it is super cute that some of you think Velious is going to make people less pixel crazy about spawnable Kunark dragons. People will go absolutely ape sh!t over the possibility of winning a /random1000 on a 20-40k BP. Even if prices fall to 10k for BPs, this camp will be permanently farmed and permanently contested for the foreseeable future. Every raid guild will have a hit squad camped in Seb with a Bard who has no intention of progressing the quest (or already has epic) and it will be a f#ck fest of training jugs by people who don't know what to do every single day down there.

THE ONLY saving grace for this is that it is very "out of the way", and it will require at least 2 groups. So there is a chance I am wrong....I just think some in this thread are COMPLETELY underestimating how crazy P99ers are about loot.

The real solution here is FTE for turn in - Bard get Guts 100% of the time - fake Trak is then considered an "open raid mob" that anyone on the server can attend if they want. and then the BP is randomed by EVERYONE, not just those who can use. Make it a community event