Times like these...

[iruinedyourday]

Originally Posted by Lune [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I don't think most mass murderers are gun enthusiasts, though. Some of them are. The Columbine kids were. But I think that was only incidental.

I just can't see how the will to commit a mass murder is in any way tied to gun machismo. I think if you believe gun culture is conducive to mass murder, you'd have to also believe playing violent first person shooters is conducive to mass murder. I've loved Grand Theft Auto my entire life, and I think it's awesome to yank someone out of their car, bust their head open with a machete, and then murder a couple cops and pedestrians in cold blood. Does that mean I have any less respect for cops, pedestrians, and machetes in real life? No. I wouldn't like it if somebody tried to ban my Grand Theft Auto in some rash and ill-advised crusade to stop gun violence, and I think we owe responsible gun enthusiasts the same courtesy.

Well, the difference between grand theft auto and pro gun extremists enthusiasts is.. one is a video game and the other is real life.

For example, if someone posts about GTA and we talk about GTA and blowing up a building or steeling a car in GTA, we're talking about how much fun a video game is.

Gun culture says that people are going to kill you, that you need to defend yourself, that if you dont shoot first then you're going to get shot, that you can solve problems with guns, that its your right to solve problems with guns, that people you disagree with are idiots, that idiots are worthless, that people who are worthless are criminals that criminals should be shot, that all your problems can be solved with a gun.

That is talking about real life. They insist that this is a REAL concern. Just like nosc, he trains in the art of self defense to protect himself from REAL life. Not a video game.

Its no surprise to me why someone who is already unstable and lives at home and posts anonymously on the internet, gets inspired to do something stupid with a gun in these situations, especially if they are not just surrounded with guns and gun culture on anonymous forums, but they are surrounded with it in their homes schools and social circles.

The first responce from anyone who is pro gun, even if they are one of the 'good smart ones who are trained in gun use', even in this thread is, 'you're a fucking idiot pussy in real life'... how can you expect that attitude to NOT encourage bad behavior?

nawimsayin? Im just sayin' [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Nocsucow]

Originally Posted by iruinedyourday [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Well, the difference between grand theft auto and pro gun extremists enthusiasts is.. one is a video game and the other is real life.

For example, if someone posts about GTA and we talk about GTA and blowing up a building or steeling a car in GTA, we're talking about how much fun a video game is.

Gun culture says that people are going to kill you, that you need to defend yourself, that if you dont shoot first then you're going to get shot, that you can solve problems with guns, that its your right to solve problems with guns, that people you disagree with are idiots, that idiots are worthless, that people who are worthless are criminals that criminals should be shot, that all your problems can be solved with a gun.

That is talking about real life. They insist that this is a REAL concern. Just like nosc, he trains in the art of self defense to protect himself from REAL life. Not a video game.

Its no surprise to me why someone who is already unstable and lives at home and posts anonymously on the internet, gets inspired to do something stupid with a gun in these situations, especially if they are not just surrounded with guns and gun culture on anonymous forums, but they are surrounded with it in their homes schools and social circles.

The first responce from anyone who is pro gun, even if they are one of the 'good smart ones who are trained in gun use', even in this thread is, 'you're a fucking idiot pussy in real life'... how can you expect that attitude to NOT encourage bad behavior?

nawimsayin? Im just sayin' [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

odds are so far that if anyone goes nutz on these forum's they're likely to use a blunt object . such as mace or maybe even a Bo staff. with mace attacks at a all time high right now I think we should ban all 1h and 2hb's .

[Lurikeen]

Originally Posted by Lune [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

That's not to say I wouldn't be in favor of requiring a robust licensing process and registration associated with firearm ownership, especially when it's something outrageous like a .50 cal sniper rifle or heavy machine gun.

Fully automatic machine guns are not legal to buy in the USA unless they are collectors items, and then you have to file a hellish amount of paper work in order to purchase the collector item.

Regarding the purchase of the .50 caliber "sniper rifle." The Feds require a background check (NICS) for the purchase of long guns, shotguns, handguns and including the .50 caliber (form 4473). Some states have additional checks (like Maryland). Private sales are exempt from the back ground check in most states, but rest assured that the liberals are fighting hard, state to state, to ensure that private gun owners will be required to do a gun check before they can sell their firearm.

There is also a movement, notably in California, to have firearms dealers and retail stores perform a background check for ammunition purchases.

Any way... any law abiding citizen is going through a shit load of paperwork to buy a weapon now days. The people you should be concerned about are the law breakers who give a damn. In which case there is no amount of gun legislation that will stop them. They are going to kill you with something no matter what, and they will get a gun if they really want one. You can't stop them.

[Ranndom]

Originally Posted by Lurikeen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Fully automatic machine guns are not legal to buy in the USA unless they are collectors items, and then you have to file a hellish amount of paper work in order to purchase the collector item.

I think the problem here is a lot of youtubers upload videos without full disclosure for content purposes.
When any automatics or explosives (except tannerite and maybe a handful of others) are being used there has to be some sort of official in the vicinity.
Politicians and idiots dont know this, and they think its people just going batshit crazy.

[Orruar]

Originally Posted by Lune [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The fact that mass murders are declining isn't all that important.

It's not? If mass murders are being pushed as the reason for the need for new gun regulations, wouldn't it follow that empirical data about mass murders would be important? And when someone comes here and claims to base their opinion on the supposed fact that mass murders are at a ridiculous all time high, perhaps it's important to point out that the data actually contradicts that viewpoint. Of course, that doesn't really apply in this case, since we all know iruinedyourday just bases his opinion on whatever stupid thought floats through his head and makes him feel like a good person. It's that kind of anti-scientific thinking that all people of reason should be fighting against.

Originally Posted by Carl Sagan

I have a foreboding of an America in my children's or grandchildren's time -- when the United States is a service and information economy; when nearly all the manufacturing industries have slipped away to other countries; when awesome technological powers are in the hands of a very few, and no one representing the public interest can even grasp the issues; when the people have lost the ability to set their own agendas or knowledgeably question those in authority; when, clutching our crystals and nervously consulting our horoscopes, our critical faculties in decline, unable to distinguish between what feels good and what's true, we slide, almost without noticing, back into superstition and darkness...

[Ranndom]

Originally Posted by Lune [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The fact that mass murders are declining isn't all that important. The meaningful figure is the relatively high rate of mass murders in the US compared to our peers... not that it has all that much to do with guns though. I'd blame the excessive individualism, isolation, and alienation inherent in our culture and economy that breeds mental illness and hopelessness, before I'd blame guns.

If you want to blame anyone, blame big pharma.
They profit from increased abortions.
They profit from cancer.
Big pharma profits everytime someone in this country gets their ass handed to them.
Its only natural a business model controlled by money and suffering, takes advantage of it.

[iruinedyourday]

The thing with your comparison's orrur is they are putting gang related shootings, maphia shootings drug related, CRIME (which yes IS down) and compairing them to school shootings or public shootings where normal kids or beta cuck freaks are taking thier parents and thier own legally bought guns and shooting up the place. THAT type of shooting is on the rise and thats what im talking about.

All i have to say is its fucking ridiculous that you are going to sit there and aruge argue argue about this jesus you are a broken fucking record.

[Orruar]

Originally Posted by iruinedyourday [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The thing with your comparison's orrur is they are putting gang related shootings, maphia shootings drug related, CRIME (which yes IS down) and compairing them to school shootings or public shootings where normal kids or beta cuck freaks are taking thier parents and thier own legally bought guns and shooting up the place. THAT type of shooting is on the rise and thats what im talking about.

Except that if you actually read my sources, they explicitly do NOT include gang and other crime-related shootings. From the first link:

Duwe defines a mass public shooting as an incident in which four or more victims are killed publicly with guns within 24 hours — in the workplace, schools, restaurants and other public places — excluding shootings in connection with crimes such as robbery, drugs or gangs.

Hell, you didn't even need to click on a link for the second or third graph, since it states clearly in the title or subnotes of the graph:

the murders are not attributable to any other underlying criminal activity or commonplace circumstance

non-gang.

You continue to completely ignore any evidence that runs contrary to your preexisting opinion, and then you wonder why people just resort to calling you a fucking idiot instead of actually engaging. Fucking idiot. You're wrong about mass shootings at schools being at an all time high and there no way anyone can take you seriously until you admit that reality runs contrary to what you believe.

[iruinedyourday]

you say I have no balls, but im the only one here standing in a room full of extremists gun lovers and saying, 'yo u muthafuckas is stupid!'

takes some balls if you ask me kek

[Nocsucow]

Originally Posted by iruinedyourday [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

you say I have no balls, but im the only one here standing in a room full of extremists gun lovers and saying, 'yo u muthafuckas is stupid!'

takes some balls if you ask me kek

are you really standing in a room full of gun extremist? because it's seems to me like you're on a elf sim forum being a pussy