Play Nice Policy Doesnt Apply to Bards Making Money

[Calibix]

Originally Posted by Sepulveda [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I have to say, I don't understand why bard swarm kiting is allowed at all on the server. It clearly violates all three of the policies that the OP posted. No where does any of the three PnP rules listed say "camp". It says "most or all of a zone". Pretty much every time a swarm kiter does his thing, whether it's in OT, BW, Dreadlands, EK, Oasis, FV, or any other zone that bard swarm kiters do their thing... any reasonable person would say there is zone disruption and a monopoly on the monsters.
This isn't even considering the lag it creates, which disrupts the normal playability of the zone. Nor is it considering that in certain zones, especially BW.. a swarm kite takes an hour or more, which makes the zone completely unusable for a huge amount of time. I for one wish they would either tweak the bard abilities, mob AI, or some other feature to make it not work. How that would happen, I have no idea. Not classic? Nope, but neither is 4 years of Kunark, every 3rd person playing buying Powerleveling, or a host of other problems the server has. I love P99, and have played here off and on for nearly 4 years. But bard swarm kiting has always been one of the things I hate most about the server, and it has only gotten worse.
Salty? Damn straight I am.

Using OT as an example, define most of the zone?

Because no matter how you try to spin it, they aren't even taking half of the zone. They take specific mobs in one half of the zone (OT swarm east side for lower lvl bards, west side for higher) avoiding specific mobs like tigers and rhinos.

Had you said Chardok, that makes a lot more sense.

[DarthMartigan]

Originally Posted by Sepulveda [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It says "most or all of a zone". Pretty much every time a swarm kiter does his thing, whether it's in OT, BW, Dreadlands, EK, Oasis, FV, or any other zone that bard swarm kiters do their thing... any reasonable person would say there is zone disruption and a monopoly on the monsters.

In FV and BW, there are literally never people around. Maybe it's because of the bards that have come before... but in those zones I haven't seen it as a disruption prior to this weekend. I think that the biggest bard issues come when it's primetime. When it's off hours, these zones are hardly used at all.

If you ever see me (martygan) kiting and you are upset by mobs i'm taking, tell me. I will zone or let you peel mobs off.

[surf3001x]

Bards are currently wiping out groups left and right in DL with bad play.

At least know wtf you're doing if you're going to swarm 20+ mobs.

[DarthMartigan]

Originally Posted by surf3001x [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Bards are currently wiping out groups left and right in DL with bad play.

At least know wtf you're doing if you're going to swarm 20+ mobs.

If you are a leveling bard and you are reading this, DONT GO INTO DL. If you do too many mobs, you get DC'd by zone lag. If you don't do enough, it's not worth it. FV till 49ish, then BW the rest of the way.

If I could level all over again, I would do 1-18 wherever, 19-30 in Ill Omen (I think), 31-50 in FV, then BW. Least disruptive (if you aren't on peak hours for Ill Omen).

[Calibix]

Originally Posted by DarthMartigan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If you are a leveling bard and you are reading this, DONT GO INTO DL. If you do too many mobs, you get DC'd by zone lag. If you don't do enough, it's not worth it. FV till 49ish, then BW the rest of the way.

If I could level all over again, I would do 1-18 wherever, 19-30 in Ill Omen (I think), 31-50 in FV, then BW. Least disruptive (if you aren't on peak hours for Ill Omen).

That would be a pretty good non-disruptive path except for possibly as you mentioned Lake at peak times, or soloer's at ledge in FV. When I was leveling, low hp agro was still a thing so it was very easy to go to out of the way places like EJ. BW it was rare to see anyone that wasn't a bard or a person leveling with a bard.

[Mojo24]

I don't see why this is still a discussion. There is a guide on the first page on how to eliminate bards.

Monopolizing an area of a zone is breaking the PnP. Instead of waiting days for GM response its best to take matters into your own hands and force the bard out via xp loss or inefficient PL. Since you will both be breaking PnP policy.

Tagging off swarms is a bad idea, will result in your swift death when the scumbag dies.

[indiscriminate_hater]

Originally Posted by Mojo24 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I don't see why this is still a discussion. There is a guide on the first page on how to eliminate bards.

Monopolizing an area of a zone is breaking the PnP. Instead of waiting days for GM response its best to take matters into your own hands and force the bard out via xp loss or inefficient PL. Since you will both be breaking PnP policy.

Tagging off swarms is a bad idea, will result in your swift death when the scumbag dies.

on the flip side, it seems you don't realize how easy it is for a bard to wipe out someone in an outdoor zone

[simp403]

Originally Posted by indiscriminate_hater [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

on the flip side, it seems you don't realize how easy it is for a bard to wipe out someone in an outdoor zone

Unless that person is a necromancer.

[Mojo24]

Originally Posted by indiscriminate_hater [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

on the flip side, it seems you don't realize how easy it is for a bard to wipe out someone in an outdoor zone

Easier for us to kill bards. You'd have to pull a train and get aggro on us. Which unless you're blind is 100% obvious and we can just relog. A bard wouldn't notice a mob tagged to find caster aggro and he wouldn't have time to react to a desync.

I quit for awhile but I think I'll go bard hunting for a few hours.

[Aussie]

Play Nice Policy most certainly does apply.

Go through the correct channels - either /petition in-game or gather up some SS's / Fraps footage and head to the petition forums.

I'm sorry that you have had to deal with this on this weekend.

Have, and will continue to take action against these players accounts.