An open letter from <Forsaken>

[Ella`Ella]

So, I'm just curious - how would you answer my question? You can feel free to PM me.

[Nibblewitz]

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Discuss.

[falkun]

Sirkiepoops

[eisley]

Kinda off-topic and deserves its' own thread, but this whole thing does bring up something that bothers me, personally.

The purposeful Class-R farming abuse which screws true casual guilds. It's almost like we need to change it to: Class C / Class R / Class RFRTT (Class R For Real This Time)

[wormed]

Originally Posted by Ella`Ella [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So, I'm just curious - how would you answer my question? You can feel free to PM me.

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But I do want to comment on your last sentence which I missed before

If lack of desire is the only thing causing your reservation, how about a newly formed guild simply not wanting to go into Class-C right off the bat?

Forsaken is newly formed, yes, but not consisting of new players with little raid gear. Forsaken is comprised of raid experienced, geared players. Clearly in this situation, at least in many peoples eyes, newly formed does not equal Class R.

[Lojik]

Originally Posted by eisley [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Kinda off-topic and deserves its' own thread, but this whole thing does bring up something that bothers me, personally.

The purposeful Class-R farming abuse which screws true casual guilds. It's almost like we need to change it to: Class C / Class R / Class RFRTT (Class R For Real This Time)

No matter how you lay out rotations like this, someone along the line is going to exploit a weakness, you'll just get 6 guilds abusing instead of 2...or 4...our whatever it is. Everyone wants their share of the pie, but a lot want your share too.

What I'm really confused about, is I thought Swage was the PR person, why isn't this letter from him? I hope he at least drafted it!

[Samoht]

Originally Posted by Ella`Ella [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Wormed, are you more comfortable with Taken and BDA remaining in class-R through velious launch, cycling their lockout timers so that guilds like Asgard will never have a real shot at downing targets? Do you not see that as a "blatant manipulation of the class system?"

Asgard could have easily tried to work with other guilds in class R. I hear Divinity, Omni, Azure Guard, and Europa are all doing quite well.

Originally Posted by Ella`Ella [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Do you not agree that the class-R system was designed for guilds to progress to Class-C. Is there not enough evidence besides their lack of desire to be in Class-C to prove that they no longer belong in Class-R? If lack of desire is the only thing causing your reservation, how about a newly formed guild simply not wanting to go into Class-C right off the bat?

Two words: trak tooth. Assuming you actually kill Trakanon 1 out of every 9 times (1/3 for class R, 1/3 for lockout), at 2-5 teeth a kill, how long would it take to field a VP keyed group of raiders if you're getting 2-5 teeth every 27 days? What about them having to compete with raiders already in class C for pieces of the medallion for the rest of the quest?

No, that's just not going to plausibly be a way to enter class C. Class R is restricted because it's more casual. It's not a launching point to join class C.

[Jaxon]

I have a question for Detoxx:

After Forsaken's suspension is over are you going to remain in C or are you going to abstain from going after C targets for 30 days and request a demotion to R?

[Man0warr]

Kinda off-topic and deserves its' own thread, but this whole thing does bring up something that bothers me, personally.

The purposeful Class-R farming abuse which screws true casual guilds. It's almost like we need to change it to: Class C / Class R / Class RFRTT (Class R For Real This Time)

Class R isn't casual, it's Restricted. It's currently working exactly as Rogean implemented it. He didn't want to remove all competition by segregating the server, he just wanted to stop the single guild (TMO) from keeping all other guilds locked out of the raid scene.

Remember, the Rotation was a completely player-made construct - Rogean had nothing to do with it.

[Detoxx]

Originally Posted by Jaxon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I have a question for Detoxx:

After Forsaken's suspension is over are you going to remain in C or are you going to abstain from going after C targets for 30 days and request a demotion to R?

Class C, as was our intention all along.