Password from Rampage with Video

[Senix]

Originally Posted by arsenalpow [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Allishia is probably one of the nicest people on the server. She even buffed them after they stole the camp because they asked nicely.

Allishia and other 5 people harrassed and stole every kill from the duo. Nothing in my logs reflect any request for buffs or any buffs hitting the duo at all. Meanwhile a lot of dialogue and damage parsing reflects harrassment, threats and kill stealing by the BDA group on the duo.

[Senix]

Originally Posted by fishingme [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So they died, lost any rights to camp after logging out for a half hour, then they noticed someone who could rez in zone so he got rezzed, then they sneaked into camp via the rezzer's group while the rezzer's group was breaking in.

No, the duo got back into the crypt several minutes before the 6 player group ever showed up. The rezzer's group hadn't even gotten to the locked door by the time the rogue and shaman had already killed the hierophant, duke and baron. The duo was a rogue and a shaman, they did not need anyone to get into crypt.

[Man0warr]

Sounds like a dick move, even if they did get their first after Allishia and group rezzed the shaman.

Next time Allishia just won't rez them, then the rogue could try to break into Crypt with just himself and a corpse.

[arsenalpow]

I looked into it, so did Rampage's leadership. The result was two Rampage members being gkicked for being savages. Jump to whatever conclusion you want, I'm going to be results oriented on this one.

[arsenalpow]

Originally Posted by gundumbwing [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Eh, I'm more interested in the attitudes of the players involved.

I seriously doubt a group of 5 or 6 decided to leave the camp to the duo. Sounds more plausible that they griefed them.

I just want to know who to avoid in the future. I don't like KSers and trainers at all, regardless of the reasons. And from multiple reports I've heard of In game and on the forums, both BDA and Rampage have bad apples in their midst.

Though the real question is who and what to believe!

No guild is perfect, I'm the first one to admit that, but I deal with our bad apples. I have a list of people I've kicked for various dbag offenses, to blatant cheating, to RMTing. We don't tolerate that shit. Based on everything I got from that incident my guys (and gal) acted well within their server rights. A duo sneaking into crypt after a generous rez from a BDA cleric then playing the victim is a load of shit.

[Senix]

Originally Posted by arsenalpow [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No guild is perfect, I'm the first one to admit that, but I deal with our bad apples. I have a list of people I've kicked for various dbag offenses, to blatant cheating, to RMTing. We don't tolerate that shit. Based on everything I got from that incident my guys (and gal) acted well within their server rights. A duo sneaking into crypt after a generous rez from a BDA cleric then playing the victim is a load of shit.

Yeah but again that isn't how it happened. I showed you what I had in my logs, and nothing supports your story at all.

Originally Posted by arsenalpow [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

well within their server rights.

Originally Posted by Derubael [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

1. You may not steal kills.

Kill Stealing is defined as the killing of an NPC for any reason that is already fighting or pursuing another player or group that is prepared to engage that same NPC without that group's specific permission.


That being said, you can absolutely "camp" mobs, and you cannot steal another players 'camp'. In general, if the placeholder or placeholders for a spawn are being killed, that 'camp' can be considered held by the player doing the killing so long as they are keeping the placeholders cleared.

The duo were the first to the camp by a large margin (, had killed all the mobs. This is defined as the duo holding the camp. Before the next cycle had even begun the BDA 6 player group were harrassing and threatening to KS, then followed through for the next few hours. Nothing about that is within their server rights, it was well outside of their server rights.

Originally Posted by arsenalpow [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

sneaking into crypt

Again, they cleared down, I've shown you the logs. If you have some sort of conflicting evidence in your logs I'd love to see it but what I witnessed was the BDA 6 player group being rude, deceitful and breaking 2 server rules against the duo.

[Senix]

Originally Posted by gundumbwing [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So while the duo were certainly morally wrong to reclaim a camp after getting a rez, your member and 5 others were wrong to grief the duo. They were KSing a legitimate camp, albeit KSing from a pair of douches. To say those two were in the wrong, but your guild mate was entirely right to commit illegal offenses is just asinine in my opinion.

^ This exactly. Then to seek punishment against the duo, but not clean your own house. That is grimy.

[Man0warr]

I mean, sounds like Rampage leadership felt the same way, regardless if the duo was legally at the camp first.

Maybe they just don't want douchebags in their guild.

[Senix]

Originally Posted by Man0warr [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Maybe they just don't want douchebags in their guild.

Or maybe they were told the same story that Chest was told? Which was a complete fabrication at worst, and at best a complete misrepresentation of the whole thing.

Originally Posted by Man0warr [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

regardless if the duo was legally at the camp first.

What? That is the whole point of having rules right?

[Man0warr]

Not all the rules on the server make sense, or are arbitrary and made up on the spot.

One of them being how camps are claimed.