Rampage stall on VS kill

[bktroost]

Originally Posted by Kayso [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Ask and ye shall receive.

Absolutely not something that BDA is just making up.


I have no skin in the game other than the fact that I lead a guild in this game and have no desire to ever change my environment of play to deliberately breaking the rules.

Under no circumstances should anyone be at an internal guild discussion table and the words "how can we do this illegal thing in such a way that it is impossible to get caught?"

I'm 100% for competitively saying "How can we get as close to the line without causing anything illegal".

These kind of tactics don't make TMO the most skilled players on the server. Stealing aggro on your enemies train, pulling things across the zone and ping ponging Fding monks to keep trains completely in control and all the other shenanigans you guys do has always impressed me!

I always thought that is what has made you all some of the most skilled players out there... but training in VS and openly stating that it is the right thing to do is wrong, wrong, wrong.


Go order a Meat Basket from Greengrocer, sign a card and have it sent to Chest.

[bktroost]

My comment about skill was to TMO and Rampage, but I used TMO as an example because they have been doing their high flying stunts for years.

My comment about the meat basket was to Rampage for being the VS perps.

[Cecily]

You realize that this isn't about... The thread is... Oh fuck it. Lord deliver us from willful idiots.

[Juevento]

Originally Posted by Formshifter [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

oh look, BDA crying because they didnt get a kill. that never happens

It's just frustrating more than anything else. We executed our strategy properly but all it takes is Rampage sending their castoff B team (including BDA and TMO reject Calrizien) to train the crap out of everyone in KC for a solid 8-10 minutes while they dealt with PD.

Their FTEr (Kegluas) wasn't even in zone until 10 mins after the repop. Obvious stall tactic is obvious.

[Samoht]

Originally Posted by Ella`Ella [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Didn't realize we were shifting blame to rampage. You should brush up on your reading comprehension skills then reread my posts.

are you implying that TMO doesn't employ the train and stall tactics? because if you are, that makes you a lying bastard whether or not you yourself have the reading comprehension to understand my posts. i don't give a fuck about rampage training BDA at VS in this particular instance. i give a fuck about how rampant it is on this server and how the terribads in TMO just perpetuate the bullshit strategies like that.

TMO always trains to get their way. and they're hardly ever punished for it so they don't stop. you get an example or two (previous inny train) to shift blame and paint rampage as the bad guys, but lets face it, you do it too.

[Ele]

Originally Posted by Samoht [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

are you implying that TMO doesn't employ the train and stall tactics? because if you are, that makes you a lying bastard whether or not you yourself have the reading comprehension to understand my posts. i don't give a fuck about rampage training BDA at VS in this particular instance. i give a fuck about how rampant it is on this server and how the terribads in TMO just perpetuate the bullshit strategies like that.

TMO always trains to get their way. and they're hardly ever punished for it so they don't stop. you get an example or two (previous inny train) to shift blame and paint rampage as the bad guys, but lets face it, you do it too.

you use the word tactic as if implying intent

[Ella`Ella]

Originally Posted by Samoht [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

are you implying that TMO doesn't employ the train and stall tactics? because if you are, that makes you a lying bastard whether or not you yourself have the reading comprehension to understand my posts. i don't give a fuck about rampage training BDA at VS in this particular instance. i give a fuck about how rampant it is on this server and how the terribads in TMO just perpetuate the bullshit strategies like that.

TMO always trains to get their way. and they're hardly ever punished for it so they don't stop. you get an example or two (previous inny train) to shift blame and paint rampage as the bad guys, but lets face it, you do it too.

At no point did I imply that whether or not either guild employs that tactic. I expressly implied that BDA is a shining example of natural selection.

Thus, I repeat

Originally Posted by Ella`Ella [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Didn't realize we were shifting blame to rampage. You should brush up on your reading comprehension skills then reread my posts.

Stop being so madsad and actually digest/process what is being written.

[Juevento]

So training people is an evolution over properly controlling the mobs between you and the intended target?

[quido]

jesus christ blue is for betas

[rubinoff]

Originally Posted by Pint [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Thread lacks chest in here making shit up but maybe he's busy doing that in the petition forum

Originally Posted by Kayso [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Ask and ye shall receive.

Originally Posted by arsenalpow [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'm just jaded and expect nothing to happen to Rampage. The VS encounter hasn't changed since the zone line rules were added. We've been absolutely crushed by trains on 2 of the last 3 attempts.

The same thing always happens. Trains come from every which way, guilds get wiped the fuck out, someone manages to rebuild faster and that guilds wins. The last time we got VS it was R and there was a bit of competition but my guild had strict orders to not even enter the pit with aggro, they were only allowed to move down with harmony/lulls, no trains. Everything went perfectly fine.

We camped out for VS yesterday at the zone line anticipating a repop from that announcement. We had 30 immediately after the earthquake which should have been plenty of time to get things done. We had 4 clerics, 2 warriors, and some dps ready to go in the pit clean and buffing and got fucking annihilated.

There was a Rampage bard doing a train out, calrizien dropping about a million mobs on our clerics, and that was that. I sent a tell to snackies and his response was "well those mobs were dropped on him" and that's why nothing will ever change. It's apparently ok to use that strat of train everything. In fear there's wide open spaces to get away, you can easily fraps in fear, but VS (and Hate) are the two absolute bullshit encounters because training is ok. There's 10 different ways into the pit, can't fraps every angle from 3 different levels to see the perps, you just get fucked.

I'm sure the rhetoric is just "counter train you idiots" but that shouldn't be what's required, there should just be no fuxking trains. It's not hard to get into the pit without aggro if you're responsible. It's easier though to recklessly rush down, push mobs onto your competiton to buy time, then shrug your shoulders and demand perfect fraps from every angle plus two months of waiting to get anything accomplished.

The new rules made many encounters less painful, but Inny/Hate and VS are still the worst of the fucking worst.

Chest is 100% right, how can you possibly fraps every entrance?? But the timing of these posts was fantastic!