item transfers

[yualin001]

whats sucks is I talked to a guide while person was still logged out and the confirmed what happened and told me to put in petition , I put in petition in immediatly and was only the guy never logged in to trade the items off or sell them. I sat online until petition got response and was told to wait until he logged back on and ask him to give items back.so the GM staff had knowledge of what happened and confirmed it before he got rid of the items so it could have been fixed before he got rid of them so take that however you want it , sure I messed up and trusted another player who wasnt well known in an established guild but there has to be a better way to handle transfers

[xarzzardorn]

Originally Posted by Eunomia [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You handed items worth over 10K to a level 8 character in a guild that was created in the last couple months.

The person sold items to innocent buyers. He spent the plat.

The person who committed fraud had been punished.

You learned an expensive lesson.

Did that spent plat go up in smoke towards hookers and blow? You've already established that he lost "over 10k" but both players being punished is a win-win I guess. Maybe in Ele's mmo dystopia he could sue the deceased's estate for damages

[sulpher01]

Originally Posted by xarzzardorn [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Did that spent plat go up in smoke towards hookers and blow?

lol that was my thought... poof its spent it must be gone!

[Eunomia]

Originally Posted by sulpher01 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

lol that was my thought... poof its spent it must be gone!

You know when you get a really good deal in EC? Sometimes...it might be someone trying to unload something really fast and not concerned about getting the most plat.

You know when someone buys your stuff for a ridiculously high price and you're shocked because you only listed it high so you could barter for the real price you wanted?

That is what people do with plat they didn't earn. It poofs into the community.

I'd have to trust this guy to do the right thing by repaying the petitioner to the petitioner's satisfaction, releasing the account to do so. (I don't have the ability to remove items off of the account, and GMs don't do it very often, if ever) I made a judgement call that was not going to be possible in this case. I have had success many times in resolving similar situations. It was not going to be possible in this case. I truly am sorry I couldn't, and I did express that to the petitioner.

Originally Posted by PDX0621 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

name dropped you as his *friend*.

I am everyone's friend.

[maskedmelon]

Originally Posted by Eunomia [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You know when you get a really good deal in EC? Sometimes...it might be someone trying to unload something really fast and not concerned about getting the most plat.

You know when someone buys your stuff for a ridiculously high price and you're shocked because you only listed it high so you could barter for the real price you wanted?

That is what people do with plat they didn't earn. It poofs into the community.

I'd have to trust this guy to do the right thing by repaying the petitioner to the petitioner's satisfaction, releasing the account to do so. (I don't have the ability to remove items off of the account, and GMs don't do it very often, if ever) I made a judgement call that was not going to be possible in this case. I have had success many times in resolving similar situations. It was not going to be possible in this case. I truly am sorry I couldn't, and I did express that to the petitioner.



I am everyone's friend.

Ohhhh that makes sense. If GM's can't move items from offending accounts (which could create all kinds of other potential problems if possible) then there is no solution but to ban the fellow :/ and suck it up and resolve to never let it happen to you again [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[maskedmelon]

Originally Posted by sulpher01 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

lol that was my thought... poof its spent it must be gone!

This is a good point. If it can be proven via logs (or otherwise corroborated as done by Eunomia here) that the bugger did indeed thieve something, stuff on that account with a roughly equivalent fmv ought to be due the victim as restitution prior to banning the offending account. Now if they were plvl'd, not much can be done about that :/ Each time you implement something like this, you create potential loopholes for RMT exploitation.

[tristantio]

I think the problem is actually that MQ's/puppet strings can be petitioned at all if they go awry.

Isn't there a stickied post in EC forum (or used to be) saying item transfers/trading items is at your own risk?

I do not agree there should be any risk associated with transferring for strangers though (heck, even high level "reputable" people associated with RMT could therefore stain your account if you did a transfer?)

Why is a transfer any different than having unknowingly bought the item off them for plat as far as stains on account are concerned?

The real issue is that we're still waiting on my bug report regarding tradeskill containers and storing items (in classic you could store an item in a trade container like a town forge until server reset - here when you close the container the item returns to your cursor).

Item transferring would be simple if we could find obscure forges/etc. to drop the item in and get it out with a different toon (barring a full server crash).

[PDX0621]

Originally Posted by Eunomia [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You handed items worth over 10K to a level 8 character in a guild that was created in the last couple months.

The person sold items to innocent buyers. He spent the plat.

The person who committed fraud had been punished.

You learned an expensive lesson.

Holy sh*t, I wonder if it was the level 8 who PM'd me the other day asking about getting PL'd and name dropped you as his *friend*.

[PDX0621]

It really sucks, with the whole RMT debacle, that item transfers have become increasingly hard to come by. I myself have struggled lately finding A.) People willing to help, and B.) People I trust. Thankfully my DAP guildies have been stand up individuals and have been able to lend a hand.

Just tossing it out there, not just as a plug for myself, but I do offer item transferring service. If I'm in the same zone as you or if you're in the same zone as a druid port, I generally don't charge. If you want me to haul your bags of random gear across the globe to deliver to your alt in some far away place, yeah, there'll be a "convenience" fee added. I've been entrusted on a few occasions to deliver 15-30k + worth of items, and have never failed to deliver. I assure you I'm more nervous to give your items to you than you are to receive them. Anywho, if you need a hand with transfers, please look up Bhear in game. If I can, I'll give you a hand. You may have to agree to my non RMT related disclosure speech, but it certainly beats the alternative.

[Ele]

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