History Revised: Enraptured

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Originally Posted by Freakish [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Whoa, I am definitely in on the "hate IB for being shady" train but that isn't true. They rebranded because IB leadership would not be traded, Getsome was MIA (as far as I know) and presumably the merger with A-Team had a stipulation that they both rejoin under a new tag.

Weaseling out of a suspension you know damn well you're responsible for receiving by saying "That was a different guild, we're <Rampage> now" is ridiculous. As is the concession by an IB officer of Talendor, training the TMO raid force then killing it once we zoned their train.

People in IB have access to Getsome.

I mean rejoin under a new tag is just funny. Let's look at IB's tag history a second.

Translantic Rampage

They just dropped the Translantic and formed under a tag they carried before.

[Freakish]

I know Lilyanna has access. I don't know who else does, lets assume they rebranded because A-Team would not join under the IB tag.

They skirted the suspension that they knew was in against them. There are a constant stream of petitions in Class C, its ridiculous. Some are warranted, others are just nitpicking. At any time of them forming their new guild, there would be petitions in against them. There are petitions over a month old at this point, still unresolved. These petitions aren't just looked at, judged and sentenced. Over the course of a month, mistakes are made and invariably the other side won't accept what you have to say as a defense.

Basically, no matter when they reformed they would have had petitions in against them. If they had done it in two weeks, there probably would have been something that happened next week. To say their guild isn't the old guild is semantics. Its still the same people.

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Originally Posted by Freakish [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I know Lilyanna has access. I don't know who else does, lets assume they rebranded because A-Team would not join under the IB tag.

They skirted the suspension that they knew was in against them. There are a constant stream of petitions in Class C, its ridiculous. Some are warranted, others are just nitpicking. At any time of them forming their new guild, there would be petitions in against them. There are petitions over a month old at this point, still unresolved. These petitions aren't just looked at, judged and sentenced. Over the course of a month, mistakes are made and invariably the other side won't accept what you have to say as a defense.

Basically, no matter when they reformed they would have had petitions in against them. If they had done it in two weeks, there probably would have been something that happened next week. To say their guild isn't the old guild is semantics. Its still the same people.

To me is was a clear circumvention attempt by them. They even retagged under a guild tag they wore before. Don't you think it's a little weird that they chose a time right after TMO got hit by that "5th offense penalty" to change their guild name ?

I'm sure they will sell whatever story they can to not make it seem that way at the moment. Their average member might even believe it. The timing and their 5th penalty looming says otherwise though. I agree with most of what you said.

[Ele]

Originally Posted by Ella`Ella [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Calling Rampage a whole new guild is a sham.

2/3rds IB leadership.
Same IB guild Leader
Same IB Raid Leaders
75%+ IB members
Same IB forums, just a new domain name
A-Team members requesting access to IB forum under new domain name (10$ fix).
Raid Leaders of Rampage with alts still tagged in IB raiding in Rampage (Kegluas on Eleet and Hokushin on Executioner) during VP suspension.

Not even a new domain. The same one that was used during Transatlantic Rampage and even when they changed names back to Inglorious Basterds.

2012 Archive https://web.archive.org/web/20120203...pageguild.com/

[arsenalpow]

Originally Posted by Pint [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

hypocrite.

no?

[Freakish]

I absolutely agree the "volume of offenses" should carry over. I do not think that their new influx of players from A-Team should be held to the suspension IB has. Its one of those take the good with the bad things when you're bringing in an entire guild full of people minus the top leader of IB.

I don't understand how this can be seen as anything but a restructuring of IB and A-Team. Using the comcast example, if they decided to reform under the name "ComcastB" and every one of their employees went and took all their equipment with them and they hired on some new hands, you would still see it as Comcast.

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Originally Posted by Ele [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Not even a new domain. The same one that was used during Transatlantic Rampage and even when they changed names back to Inglorious Basterds.

2012 Archive https://web.archive.org/web/20120203...pageguild.com/

Exactly. This shows without a doubt that the leadership that ran the forums all the way back to TR is still installed in this guild. Any attempt to sell this as a new "Entity" is just hilarious. The fact that the Lead CSR was buying this is just troubling.

[chief]

Pretty sure we were recently suspended when an app kited sev, quit the guild and had an IB tag before the suspension was issued.

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Originally Posted by chief [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Pretty sure we were recently suspended when an app kited sev, quit the guild and had an IB tag before the suspension was issued.

Calrizen

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Isn't the precedent for players raiding while on suspension a 2 week ban for the players who do so ? With the obvious evidence that IB was trying to circumvent punishment I think that punishment would fit here.

They went out of their way to try and deceive a GM in this situation on top of it. There are obvious situations that were like this where clear punishments happened that any raid guild could look to for precedent. They knew they should not have been raiding or attempting to raid mobs that they were suspended for. They blatantly changed their tag over their heads and then deceived a GM into believing they were a new entity.