End of the rotation?

[YendorLootmonkey]

Originally Posted by skipdog [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

some smaller guilds killed a mob instead of wiping for 4 hours with too few numbers. Who cares??

Why the fuck are they on the rotation for the mob if they can't fucking kill the mob?

If this is what the rotation devolved into, then just fucking split into 8-person guilds and conveniently ally whenever you can't kill the mobs and artificially pad out the rotation on guilds who actually can kill the mobs so no guild sees a particular mob for a year. Brilliant!

And then fight the lawsuit Omni files against you for jacking their idea.

I think the "barrier to entry" between different tiers may need to be re-thought, but other than that, the guilds that were in the rotation for mobs they couldn't kill are clearly to blame for this.

Probably populated with a bunch of TMO alts who did exactly what they threatened during the original raid scene proposals... water down the rotation with guilds until it imploded.

And.... and... fuck you randomly, Cecily.

There... how was that? My RNF game has always been horrible. As well as my non-RNF game.

[Aadill]

So is this Class R 1 and Class R 2?

[HethGnome]

Just for consideration, one of the major problems with the rotation as it stood before is that guilds that couldn't kill a mob were still occupying a solo spot in the rotation, and then teaming up with one or two other guilds and downing the mob.

So guild A is up for Trak, they can't kill the mob themselves, so they team up with guild B and guild C. Instead of sharing the loot and considering themselves one raid entity, guild A gets their own mob and guild B and guild C keep their own solo spots in the rotation.

Of course the guilds that are killing everything themselves are going to get frustrated at some point.

[Blaza]

Originally Posted by HethGnome [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Just for consideration, one of the major problems with the rotation as it stood before is that guilds that couldn't kill a mob were still occupying a solo spot in the rotation, and then teaming up with one or two other guilds and downing the mob.

So guild A is up for Trak, they can't kill the mob themselves, so they team up with guild B and guild C. Instead of sharing the loot and considering themselves one raid entity, guild A gets their own mob and guild B and guild C keep their own solo spots in the rotation.

Of course the guilds that are killing everything themselves are going to get frustrated at some point.

This.

[Raev]

Here is what I don't understand: BDA, unlike Taken, has sufficient VP keys to compete in Class C, yet they have no interest in doing so. When they entered C a month ago, Chest was talking about "getting back to R as soon as possible". When this proposal first hit the FAP forum, it was immediately suggested to them that they could do some FFA targets. Sanluen wrote a long post about how FFA was too hard for them with its huge "barrier to entry".

My question is, how do you guys resolve this "we can't compete for FFA targets" with your plan to go FFA within R? Now maybe if you had done this a year ago, it would have worked. But the other R guilds have too much experience with the encounters now. I would take 25 AT over 50 BDA any day of the week and twice on Sundays. So I suspect that after 2 months BDA is begging for the rotation to resume.

Regardless it's going to make for good RNF. Time to get our popcorn out!

[Blaza]

Originally Posted by Raev [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Here is what I don't understand: BDA, unlike Taken, has sufficient VP keys to compete in Class C, yet they have no interest in doing so. When they entered C a month ago, Chest was talking about "getting back to R as soon as possible". When this proposal first hit the FAP forum, it was immediately suggested to them that they could do some FFA targets. Sanluen wrote a long post about how FFA was too hard for them with its huge "barrier to entry".

My question is, how do you guys resolve this "we can't compete for FFA targets" with your plan to go FFA within R? Now maybe if you had done this a year ago, it would have worked. But the other R guilds have too much experience with the encounters now. I would take 25 AT over 50 BDA any day of the week and twice on Sundays. So I suspect that after 2 months BDA is begging for the rotation to resume.

Regardless it's going to make for good RNF. Time to get our popcorn out!

At least shit will be fun again. That, and with the lockout rules one guild could only take 1/3 mobs anyhow.

Hopefully in 2 months Velious will be out and it will all be academic.

[Blaza]

Originally Posted by Raev [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I would take 25 AT over 50 BDA any day of the week and twice on Sundays.

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Depends which BDA and which ATeam.

[Anichek]

Originally Posted by Raev [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Here is what I don't understand: BDA, unlike Taken, has sufficient VP keys to compete in Class C, yet they have no interest in doing so. When they entered C a month ago, Chest was talking about "getting back to R as soon as possible". When this proposal first hit the FAP forum, it was immediately suggested to them that they could do some FFA targets. Sanluen wrote a long post about how FFA was too hard for them with its huge "barrier to entry".

My question is, how do you guys resolve this "we can't compete for FFA targets" with your plan to go FFA within R? Now maybe if you had done this a year ago, it would have worked. But the other R guilds have too much experience with the encounters now. I would take 25 AT over 50 BDA any day of the week and twice on Sundays. So I suspect that after 2 months BDA is begging for the rotation to resume.

Regardless it's going to make for good RNF. Time to get our popcorn out!

BDA doesn't have sufficient VP keys to compete in Class C.....we likely don't even have the most VP keys in Class R, if you are only counting active players.

I've eaten too much popcorn already - can I switch to Reese's Pieces?

[kaev]

Originally Posted by Raev [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Here is what I don't understand: BDA, unlike Taken, has sufficient VP keys to compete in Class C, yet they have no interest in doing so.

You know better than that man, that's pure troll. Class C is not about having VP keys, it's about centering your life around elf-simulator pixels. BDA isn't going to do that any more than A-Team is and you know it.

[zanderklocke]

I think the only mob that was really an issue for any guild currently established in the Rotation was Gorenaire.

Every guild had killed all other targets individually, so the proposal was designed to make Gorenaire the mob you had to kill before you could access any mobs that dropped epics. This essentially removed the bottleneck of waiting for guilds on easy mobs like VS that have good loot.

It was suggested that the tiers should be based on mob difficulty rather than their loot, but that didn't fly.