Feminism today

[Tenlaar]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Until little girls stop learning to be quiet, submissive, and worry about clothes like Barbie, how can they possibly be equal to the little boys who are taught to be aggressive and take what they want?

Where are you finding the women who were taught this? I'm 31 and it doesn't describe any female that I've known. And yeah yeah, elf sim, but I've known a lot.

[Tulnavara]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Until little girls stop learning to be quiet, submissive, and worry about clothes like Barbie, how can they possibly be equal to the little boys who are taught to be aggressive and take what they want?

The number of young women who are like this is less than the beta white knights who think they have to defend "womyn"

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So men and women get paid the same now? They can both participate in all branches of the military? Both get equal paternity/maternity leave? And they both get raped at the same rate?

C'mon, women may have gotten equality on stuff like the right to vote, but they are far from equal in our society. And that's where some of that newer feminist stuff comes in.

Want women to get raped less? Then they need to be just as dominant as men, which means letting little girls get to play with GI Joes (or making Barbies that kick ass). Or having video game where the protagonist isn't male and isn't just a sex symbol for male players.

Until little girls stop learning to be quiet, submissive, and worry about clothes like Barbie, how can they possibly be equal to the little boys who are taught to be aggressive and take what they want?

Obvious troll is obvious.

[loramin]

This is the message every little girl in our society learns from an early age. Boys play with action figures, girls play with dolls. Tell me that's not still true for most children in America.

Don't you think that has some effect on both genders as they grow up? Crimes like rape have been shown to correlate with the power inequality between genders (ie. the less power women have than men in your society, the more likely they are to be raped). Similarly, things like pay disparities have also been shown to come from men being more aggressive than women.

Don't you think having toys and video games that teach little girls they too can be aggressive, dominant, and strong would help?

[loramin]

Boy's Toys: http://www.toysrus.com/category/inde...oryId=13041262
Girl's Toys: http://www.toysrus.com/category/inde...oryId=13041269

[Tenlaar]

Originally Posted by loramin [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Don't you think having toys and video games that teach little girls they too can be aggressive, dominant, and strong would help?

I don't think we should be teaching any children that being aggressive and trying to dominate people is the best way to go through life.

[loramin]

Heh, well obviously you don't want to go too far in that direction either. But the point is, there is a huge power imbalance in how we raise our boys vs. our girls, so to counter that imbalance you have to teach girls it's ok to be as dominant as the boys, and likewise boys should learn it's ok to be as submissive as the women. Which isn't to say you should teach either to be too dominant or too submissive.

Look, at the end of the day it's very simple: if toys teach kids about the world, how can you have two genders growing up with equal worldviews when they are segregated in to playing with different (unequal) toys?

[paulgiamatti]

Originally Posted by JurisDictum [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Feminism is a catch all phrase

No it isn't.

Originally Posted by JurisDictum [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

that really isn't as focused as people (especially self-identified feminists) claim it is.

It's a movement in which there are varying degrees of opinions and political differences. Feminists of any level of intelligence know this, and don't go about making the claim that there is one specified, truest form of feminism.

Originally Posted by JurisDictum [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Women in modern campuses are talking about how we live in a "rape culture," as if it's an undisputed fact of natural science.

Women do not get to walk around in our society without the fear of rape. Women are raped, and rape committed against women happens every single day of every single month of every single year. Give me a 24-hour truce during which there is no rape.

Originally Posted by JurisDictum [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It's also a given that the pay gap is due to discrimination, when it's been statistically proven otherwise.

The pay gap has more to do with systematic/structural oppression than flagrant discrimination, although discrimination is certainly a form that oppression can take. Systematic oppression is a result of the patriarchal aspects of our society - it allows male-dominated industries and legislation to go unchecked, while keeping women subjugated and beneath the dominion of men. Although we've certainly made progress since the start of the 20th century - the ways in which oppression and subjugation occur are now often difficult to pinpoint and expose - there is still progress to be made.

Originally Posted by JurisDictum [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

In fact, single women that never have kids make MORE money then single men who never have kids. The pay gap is due almost completely to individual women's decisions back up by societal norms (that they buy into).

Systematic/structural oppression also means that women are and have always been less educated than men. This is a big contributor to the pay gap, but I'd also argue that it reinforces the very subjugation that keeps women less educated and less informed. This is why whenever I hear the argument that women statistically perform worse than men in any field, it doesn't resonate with me at all. Of course they perform worse than men do, that's the whole point of the oppression and subjugation in the first place.

Originally Posted by JurisDictum [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Feminists can't agree on whether they want to be treated differently by men, or they wanted to be treated the same only in a professional setting, or they think men should act differently in general. They are also in denial about men hating. How could women hating be a wide-spread thing but men-hating near non-existent? I'm not saying all feminists hate men, but you can bet the ones that do are all feminists.

According to whom? You?

Originally Posted by JurisDictum [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

My guess is the number of women in feminist movements that are outright bigoted of men is about 20%.

A best-guess percentage pulled out of thin air really doesn't mean anything.

Originally Posted by JurisDictum [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Anyone who spends time around feminist boards or real-life groups will notice the following hypocrisies:

Men should never pretend they understand what its like for women, but women know exactly what it's like for men.

For the most part, innocent until proven guilty. Unless its a rape trail. Then he did it, does not deserve due process, and your a rape apologist if you suggest otherwise.

If a man continues to get into abusive relationships and stays with those partners, he has issues in needs help. If a woman does the same thing, her partner has issues and there's nothing wrong with her and it could happen to anyone.

A relationship where the man is [dominant] is problematic and [oppressive]. Unless he's gay of course.

That's strange, I spend a lot of time around feminists and haven't noticed any of these hypocrisies. Not a single one.

[KagatobLuvsAnimu]

I'm just gonna let you guys keep bringing up long debunked claims (pay gap lol) and blow them all the fuck out when I get home tonight.

This is gonna be fun.

[katrik]

Originally Posted by Sidelle [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

P.S. Sorry Katrik. I know you're sick of the feminist stuff. I was bored & couldn't sleep. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It's ok. Could be worse.