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[Gustoo]

I guess you and me should just take it to PMs heh.

Its cool man we just have different ideals.

But we still share the love of the game enough to play here and visit this forum so we have more in common than not.

Happy new years.

[Tradesonred]

Originally Posted by Kergan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Item loot doesn't work in EQ. I've lived it, it isn't good. End of story. Everything you think will happen will not because the have's will always have a leg up on the have nots.

What ends up happening is a bunch of uber geared PVP focused people pushing the shit in of a bunch of sheep afraid to equip droppable resist gear. Think resists are bad now? Imagine when people won't even equip diamond rings for fear of losing them.

People talk about item loot on RZ like it was a good thing, those are by and large a bunch of RZ non factors. RZ item loot sucked balls because it made PVP worse which was the whole point of that server relative to any of the other servers in existence at the time.
Any system that revolves around the people who are the most negatively effected by losing having the highest probability of losing is shitty. That's what RZ item loot was and that is how it would be here.

If a bunch of non-factors talk about item loot positively then its a good thing. I remember seein that loot window once in a while on RZ. The key thing on RZ is the events that allowed noobs like me to have decent no drop pieces. If you dont have that here then its gonna be a problem. Not only that youve almost convinced me that item loot would be a bad thing because most people running grief twinks will have their pocket healer buffers. People like Leduke. Most of the twinks i ran into on RZ were solo. That deleveled rogue in Gfay, some melees in commons.

So i mostly agree with you. Not because it sucked on RZ though, but because it would suck here and depopulate the server unless no drop pieces are patched in because of what the pop is constituted of and even then prob a bad idea .

I said almost convinced because really what is there to do once velious content fizzles out. They could do that opt-in item loot system i proposed a long time ago. Talk to the priest of discord and you can now be looted and loot other players who are PoD flagged.

[LostCause]

teams most likely will be long after velious release imo.

[fred schnarf]

Originally Posted by Kergan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Item loot doesn't work in EQ. I've lived it, it isn't good. End of story. Everything you think will happen will not because the have's will always have a leg up on the have nots.

What ends up happening is a bunch of uber geared PVP focused people pushing the shit in of a bunch of sheep afraid to equip droppable resist gear. Think resists are bad now? Imagine when people won't even equip diamond rings for fear of losing them.

People talk about item loot on RZ like it was a good thing, those are by and large a bunch of RZ non factors. RZ item loot sucked balls because it made PVP worse which was the whole point of that server relative to any of the other servers in existence at the time.

Any system that revolves around the people who are the most negatively effected by losing having the highest probability of losing is shitty. That's what RZ item loot was and that is how it would be here.

This is true, what a good post.

[Gustoo]

The fact is that on rallos there waa tons of pvp at all level ranges in all low level zones and high level zones. Here there is not. Item loot gives people who dont want to be lvl 60 and raid something to do that is exciting and worthwhile.

Some more no drop stuff would be cool, but it is a fallacy to say that lowbies just cant play the game. By level 20 you have enough money for banded as a melee and the most money you can lose there is 15pp for a bp. Adamantite rings are cheap and mean most careful players can suicide short of bad luck anyways.

The modt negatively effected would be the level 60 casual, but these are helped in velioud when so many new no drop pieces bevome available.

I want to know where these item loot horror stories come from.

[Kergan]

Originally Posted by Tradesonred [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If a bunch of non-factors talk about item loot positively then its a good thing. I remember seein that loot window once in a while on RZ. The key thing on RZ is the events that allowed noobs like me to have decent no drop pieces. If you dont have that here then its gonna be a problem. Not only that youve almost convinced me that item loot would be a bad thing because most people running grief twinks will have their pocket healer buffers. People like Leduke. Most of the twinks i ran into on RZ were solo. That deleveled rogue in Gfay, some melees in commons.

So i mostly agree with you. Not because it sucked on RZ though, but because it would suck here and depopulate the server unless no drop pieces are patched in because of what the pop is constituted of and even then prob a bad idea .

I said almost convinced because really what is there to do once velious content fizzles out. They could do that opt-in item loot system i proposed a long time ago. Talk to the priest of discord and you can now be looted and loot other players who are PoD flagged.

The culture here is much different than RZ. The Kunark timeline lasting 3 years instead of less than one makes a big difference too, the top tier of people didn't have time to deck out fungus twinks after farming VP for 2+ years.

I think we've seen enough of this server to know that if people can cause grief to new players not only will they do it, but they will relish the opportunity.

[Kergan]

Originally Posted by Gustoo [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The fact is that on rallos there waa tons of pvp at all level ranges in all low level zones and high level zones. Here there is not. Item loot gives people who dont want to be lvl 60 and raid something to do that is exciting and worthwhile.

Some more no drop stuff would be cool, but it is a fallacy to say that lowbies just cant play the game. By level 20 you have enough money for banded as a melee and the most money you can lose there is 15pp for a bp. Adamantite rings are cheap and mean most careful players can suicide short of bad luck anyways.

The modt negatively effected would be the level 60 casual, but these are helped in velioud when so many new no drop pieces bevome available.

I want to know where these item loot horror stories come from.

It's not that new players can't play the game here, it's just that in any MMO (especially one that has had the same level cap for 3 years like here) there is a very small percentage of the population that is low level. RZ had 5-10x the population of this server at any given time.

And things like adamantite rings may be cheap in a server with a normal Kunark era live economy, but scan the auction postings and how much low level gear do you see people bother selling?

If you don't think there are more than a few people who will run around with deleveled planar geared and epic'd characters with pocket druids killing newbies than you haven't experienced the joy of R99 long enough. The last place we should be talking about item loot is for low level people. If anything, make level 60 a tier to itself, figure out how to flag oor healers/buffers PVP eligible and enable it on the top end only.

[Gustoo]

Planar and epics and the like can simply have level reqs.

I guess the best option is to give up on teams and just release a rallos server that follows actual classic timeline up to velious since all expansions will be ready to go.

Plus a discord server.

[gortimer]

It seems like maybe everyone is forgetting, Tallon Zek had item loot too.

[alaiwy0503]

The thing that everybody is not realizing is the difference 15 years makes. I played RZ since release and there is one MAJOR difference here. If you were a PK you were black-balled on RZ. Everybody knew the handful of random PK's and when they entered the zone you bagged your shit. In today's MMO experience everybody PK's and pvp is just expected. In 1999 it wasn't. Item loot worked on RZ on live in 1999 but would NOT work now.