Dispell mobs suddenly a bit strong?

[Haynar]

Originally Posted by Daldaen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Comes back to my post made many times.

All clickies, should be a guaranteed dice roll of 1.

Once you do that, people who pay attention to their clickies have no issue until they come up against enchanter mobs with Recant Magic.

From eqlive, clickies are not guaranteed a 1. The random distribution of higher values could be not so random though. Will do more testing. Takes a lot of patience casting and dispelling buffs over and over. The unfortunate part is it may take a few hours to get enough data to get good enough sample statistics.

Will continue taking data in spare time.

H

[Erati]

Originally Posted by Haynar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

From eqlive, clickies are not guaranteed a 1. The random distribution of higher values could be not so random though. Will do more testing. Takes a lot of patience casting and dispelling buffs over and over. The unfortunate part is it may take a few hours to get enough data to get good enough sample statistics.

Will continue taking data in spare time.

H

thank you for this Haynar

and yes thats a good way to go about it bc if clickies indeed can randomly roll to a more powerful counter............ then possibly the higher lvl buffs (50+) should be rolling higher numbers more consistently to off set the random chance you have a clicky with very high buff power counter

[tristantio]

Recently discovered Usenet - also recently discovered a lot of information on old EQ aspects (2001 era) via Google Groups' Usenet Archive.

See some talk about top down dispells vs "random" order here:

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!se...A/ZMlANUFAImkJ

I'll post more as I find it.

[Erati]

seems people on that link you posted felt dragon AE dispell was always the top bottom type dispell while cancel magic type can be more random like Haynar created

[tristantio]

Yea, I think the current system is pretty accurate (so far I'm unable to find anything about clickies being limited to a smaller charge #).

This is a much better post about dispel order:

https://groups.google.com/forum/#!se...U/CdfXU5UfNcgJ

The TLDR:

• Original poster thinks it goes top down (how we used to have it on p99 until patch)
• Other posters tell him it dispells oldest buff first, but dragon dispel works uniquely (top down)
• Eventually someone tests in-depth (look for the post with a table + data) and finds results matching what we are now using (they give up and decide on non-determinate order, but Daldaen explains way better on our thread)

Edit: Not sure why the auto link didn't work, fixing.

[Haynar]

I have the feeling it is not an equal chance for getting higher random counters. The eqlive RNG is very streaky though. It would be cool if we could reproduce that streakiness. For a more classic experience that is.

H

[Toodles]

TLDR

• Mobs spamming dispell all throughout a fight
• Can't be interrupted
• Even when they 'land' it doesn't always debuff you
• When it lands, it takes more than one buff at a time regardless of the buff
• When it lands, it takes buffs from lower slots, sometimes 3, sometimes 4, sometimes 6

We have two issues here ;

A) When did this get changed on the server and why specifically? Surely there's a reason for amendments and patches - that information should help us in this case.
B) Removal of buffs from the wrong slots.

[Daldaen]

You have to keep in mind when testing dispels on Live, they have been revamped a few times.

One of them made dispels remove all beneficial effects before they could remove detrimentals. Think another one completely randomized the slots removed.

Testing on live isn't the best bet for dispel mechanics.

What I suggested earlier would create a more classic dispel situation.

Clickies always 1 roll
NPCs have less desire to cast dispels (instead of casting 5+ in a fight).

[Schwing]

As if camping the corrupted shaman in Lake Rathe wasn't annoying enough, they love to dispell, and it lands every time. Had to keep proper junk buffs for all 20 hours