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[Raev]

Originally Posted by Bboboo [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Then what's the point of red? You guys are selling red as a PvPless server but saying all our issues on blue would be solved with PvP.

No, the point is there are different levels of competition over different pixels. Want a raid target on red? Expect to PVP. Want a high-level cash camp? Maybe. Want to level up? Who cares, the mobs outnumber the players 100:1 at L20. There will be a few PKs to deal with, but nothing serious.

[Raev]

Originally Posted by Daldaen

You will level faster (not classic), and due to this faster group leveling (again not classic), you won't PvP at all.

PVP is simply a way to resolve contention that doesn't involve poopsocking, rule lawyering, and people AFK at camps for hours. On red, the population 1-50 is so low than there is simply no contention anyway, so the only PVP at those levels is from people who I would basically call sociopaths ("so and so irritated me, so we jumped him 5 v 1", etc).

At 50+ there are far more legitimate reasons to PVP. I think both of us pretty frustrated with the raid scene on blue. Even with foot races, you still have to sit there waiting for 8 hours on average! And then just think about the farming stuff: on Velious people will set up camp at the Holgresh Elder beads or whatever and never leave, or give the camp to a friend and just rotate it for months. Kael will be empty. And god forbid you want a bracer of Benevolence.

[Daldaen]

Nothing says fair resolution like chain Procs of Windstriker stun, or someone jumping an OOM caster after breaking their camp...

[Buhbuh]

Originally Posted by Daldaen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Nothing says fair resolution like chain Procs of Windstriker stun, or someone jumping an OOM caster after breaking their camp...

I think you have a hyperbolic view of what Red actually is/ what happens there on a consistent basis.

[Daldaen]

Originally Posted by Buhbuh [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I think you have a hyperbolic view of what Red actually is/ what happens there on a consistent basis.

So you're saying people never lose PvP engages because of the terribly broken stun on Windstriker? Or that PvP doesn't occur at times when one party is out of mana and the other party is full mana/buffed.

The point is, open world PvP mixed into a PvE environment is so terribly unbalanced. It's not fun to be on either side of those battles. (Unless you are a prepubescent teen who trolls OOC after killing an oom caster) If PvP were balanced, it would be interesting in an arena format. But it isn't balanced and it always occurs when one side is disadvantaged in the battle. Sometimes hugely so.

[Buhbuh]

Originally Posted by Daldaen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So you're saying people never lose PvP engages because of the terribly broken stun on Windstriker? Or that PvP doesn't occur at times when one party is out of mana and the other party is full mana/buffed.

The point is, open world PvP mixed into a PvE environment is so terribly unbalanced. It's not fun to be on either side of those battles. (Unless you are a prepubescent teen who trolls OOC after killing an oom caster) If PvP were balanced, it would be interesting in an arena format. But it isn't balanced and it always occurs when one side is disadvantaged in the battle. Sometimes hugely so.

Terribly broken? No. Not even close. If you'd like a list of kill/death ratios of active windstriker rangers, I will gladly oblige you. In mass PvP, yes. But most guilds try to focus the Windstrikers down because they can be dangerous.

And being attacked when unexpected is part of the fun. You need to escape, not fight on their terms.

[Raev]

Originally Posted by Daldaen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Nothing says fair resolution like chain Procs of Windstriker stun, or someone jumping an OOM caster after breaking their camp...

I mean seriously, which do you prefer:

a) Blue: the hiero is permanently camped because some shaman logged in at 6AM and is mostly AFK there all day for 12 hours ?

b) Red: you play in an actual group with people instead of farming everything solo (safety in numbers, not to mention being rather classic). If a group from a rival guild is there, you PK them and either you win, getting the camp, or you lose and call LNS and go somewhere else.

[Daldaen]

Originally Posted by Raev [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I mean seriously, which do you prefer:

a) Blue: the hiero is permanently camped because some shaman logged in at 6AM and is mostly AFK there all day for 12 hours ?

b) Red: you play in an actual group with people instead of farming everything solo (safety in numbers, not to mention being rather classic). If a group from a rival guild is there, you PK them and either you win, getting the camp, or you lose and call LNS and go somewhere else.

Would prefer C.

Check hiero, camped. Figure out something else I can do uninterrupted solo or with a group.

[Niedar]

Originally Posted by Daldaen [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Would prefer C.

Check hiero, camped. Figure out something else I can do uninterrupted solo or with a group.

Everything is camped on Blue, that is the point.

[Locust]

get this shit out of server chat for fucks sake