Pick Pocket Policy: Mobs you don't own.

[Messianic]

Originally Posted by ryuut1 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

i've pick pocketed everything up to planar bosses. you can steal this:

gems(not lambent stones or other magical ones)
spell reagents
coin
other reagents, non-magical

the post was made over some dude MAYBE losing one of his alli gems, and he's probably held the camp for 5 hours with his mage or necro anyhow.

Sure, and its probably not a huge deal - and my statements are only with regards to those who think "Rogues should be able to steal anything" is somehow reasonable. What you mentioned I think is pretty reasonable.

Stealing awesome (magic) weapons from in-game gods? Yeah right. :P

[ryuut1]

Originally Posted by ElanoraBryght [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Is it considered by GMs an exploit?
Is it classic?

If the answers to these questions are no and yes, I don't see what the issue is. If it's either an exploit or not classic, there's a forum for that.

this.

[Elissa]

Originally Posted by azeth [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

to be honest i asked a while back in a diff. thread about a separate loot table for rogues, as I thought I remembered not having to worry about stealing my own groups on Rodcet Nife (blue).

To answer your Q Taxi, pickpocket was fully enabled and apparently pulled the loot out of the same loot table. I must have misremembered having a pickpocket loot table separate from the normal one according to the replies I received.

In classic, pick pocket pulled from the same loot/money table. Later on, they created a separate loot/money table for rogues to pickpocket from. Even later on, they changed it back to the being from the same.

I really don't see this being that big of an issue.

[ryuut1]

it's worth the death if i get the black sapphire from alli.

oh WAIT, i did do that, meepo! you remember! except for the black sapphire part.

and we all know how often alli spawns. often enough for this example to be AWESOME

YAH

[Tiggles]

Originally Posted by azeth [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I wouldn't use Alli as your example to make this point. 3/4 times Alli drops NOTHING, also it's such a long fight that if Alli spawned with a Jacinth/Diamond/Blue Diamond/Black Sapphire its 100% guarantee a rogue will pickpocket it before you kill Alli.

The only way to prevent this is to kill your pet instantly when Alli does eventually notice the rogue.

edit: or feign death. Tbh any necro out there dealing with this pickpocket issue should easily be owning rogues by FDing if the mob has noticed the rogue at any point during the fight.

Even using Ali as an example its been a while but i'm pretty sure he drops some coin when ever a rogue pickpockets on an even con mob (assuming the rogue is 50) there is about a 50+% he gets nothing and not noticed, Then a smaller chance he will be seen and the rest is a Success and he steals someting.

Now when he does succesfuly steals something it takes into account money as well and he doesnt steal ALL of the money just a chunk of it. So he steals some coin and tries again if he succesfully steals again then he may get more coin


Gems and items are the rarest part of a rogue pick pocket.


I would be more mad if a rogue was following around hill giants since he is a higher lvl they wouldent notice him and he could pick them dry while a mage is killing other ones and he would never even see the rogue since he is stealing before the mage gets to him.

[tj218]

Depends on the situation:

1. Sneaking into a raid or a dungeon camp and making multiple attempts, eventually picking the mob clean (it's on the same table in P99) is in poor taste, and should not be allowed.

2. Running past a druid quad kiting hill giants, and picking the giants (one time) as they pass you is hardly noticeable and while it probably shouldn't be done isn't worth getting your panties in a bunch. OOo they picked 4platinum.....look out. Then gate out, and teach the Rogue a lesson.

[azeth]

Originally Posted by tj218 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Depends on the situation:

1. Sneaking into a raid or a dungeon camp and making multiple attempts, eventually picking the mob clean (it's on the same table in P99) is in poor taste, and should not be allowed.

2. Running past a druid quad kiting hill giants, and picking the giants (one time) as they pass you is hardly noticeable and while it probably shouldn't be done isn't worth getting your panties in a bunch. OOo they picked 4platinum.....look out. Then gate out, and teach the Rogue a lesson.

I agree. I personally hate the Allizewsaur example though because it's such a safe spot for a rogue to PP that realistically any rogue could be camping the gems, while a pet class does all the work.

[Kani]

There was a thread talking about pickpocketing a while back, and when the change was made to a separate loot pool. I tried back then, sifting through old patch messages to find out when this change went into effect, without any luck. PP'ing from a mob someone had engaged, is a bit of a dick move IMO. If it wasn't being fought or actively camped, then it's fair game to be picked clean. When it comes to groups; I would always share the wealth, if I amassed a bunch of gems. Even a Rogue should allow his allies a small taste of the wealth. At least that's the way I always saw it.

[Ponden]

I never thought I would see the day where Mages and Necros complained about not making enough money. Go Rogues, GO!

Maybe we should all reroll Magicians and play e-z farm for a bit.

[dallammarr]

Originally Posted by Tiggles [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Can't fear players in PVP.

If this is true then its NOT classic as you were able to fear other players in PVP up until they revamped the PVP system which if memory serves me correctly occured either just before or just after the release of Luclin in 2001.

Prior to that I clearly remember as a 35 Necro in the Kunark era, being challeneged by a 40 Ench and whiping his ass. Also while camping pzjyn at level 45 some jackass ranja thinking he was gonna steal my camp and me fear kiting his ass back to Qeynos as he agreed to a duel and winner got the camp. In PVP necros were almost unbeatable until they gimped us in the PVP changes.