Taken - Sev

[Freakish]

You can be non-kos to dragons.

[Lisset]

Originally Posted by Freakish [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You can be non-kos to dragons.

I am. Too bad I'm not a Mage. [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[doyoueventrainbro]

OH DRAGON HIT ME WHEN IT SPAWN? HUEHUE MY BAD

[Lisset]

Ruling made, loot deleted, no suspensions.

http://www.project1999.com/forums/sh...d.php?t=162920

[Eponymous Anonymous]

I can't find it in the raid discussion forum, can you please elaborate on the incident where the precedent has been set?

[Lisset]

Originally Posted by Eponymous Anonymous [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I can't find it in the raid discussion forum, can you please elaborate on the incident where the precedent has been set?

Read the Faydedar thread. It's on the second page.

[kotton05]

How do you not know where sev spawns!!![You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[Hitpoint]

Originally Posted by kotton05 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

How do you not know where sev spawns!!![You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

He only spawns in the exact same spot every 7 days.

[Eponymous Anonymous]

Originally Posted by Lisset [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Read the Faydedar thread. It's on the second page.

Ok having read that thread, the obvious difference from this situation is:

On Faydedar, the FTE was rightfully TMO's, who were not disqualified from killing it at that point, and went on to be KSed by IB.

With Sev, AG got an accidental FTE with their tracker, who was then disqualified and thus had to concede the encounter, and so there was no rightful FTE in this case. The situations are vastly different and I don't see the first setting a precedent for the second.

I will agree that everyone on the hate list at that point should have wiped their agro and let Sev reset. Was the pull and kill by Taken rightful without an FTE shout in this case? Probably not, but i'm willing to bet that Taken was not the only guild still on the hate list when Sev was pulled to TT zone.

[Lisset]

Originally Posted by Eponymous Anonymous [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

With Sev, AG got an accidental FTE with their tracker, who was then disqualified and thus had to concede the encounter, and so there was no rightful FTE in this case. The situations are vastly different and I don't see the first setting a precedent for the second.

The precedent is what Sirken said multiple times in that thread and that is that the ONLY time to kill a raid mob is when YOU have FTE. He also said specifically that FTE should have been allowed to reset.

The situation is actually quite similar. 2 guilds got on the FTE list and the guild that got FTE had their person die and the guild that also was on the list killed the dragon without their own FTE. That was the essence of that whole thread. IB decided that TMO's FTE didn't count and killed the mob. Taken decided that AG's FTE didn't count and killed the mob. That's very similar. You have 2 guilds both getting on the agro list without FTE. you have 2 guilds deciding on their own that the FTE didn't count and killing the mob.

Bottom line is that Taken should get a week off. Sirken specifically warned everyone in the raid discussion forum.