Casinos

[kruptcy]

Originally Posted by Olscratch [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Because providing a wanted service for years without complaint or RMT suspicion, seldom spamming (not in shout) from T2, doing free transfers all day, and doing plat giveaways is being an annoying jerk. Derubael was being an ass and so are you.

EC now 50% more boring with no classic casinos but with added non-classic itemlink spam. Thanks derubael.

Completely agree, this is totally unacceptable. I think you should ask for a refund.

[zforrestal]

To whom it may concern,
With the recent news on the ban of Casinos, I am deeply saddened. As some of you may know, I am Tookie and I run a very high standard casino. I have been around since Nov. 27th, 2009 running a casino and have never run into a problem with the legitimacy of my casino. The sole reason I played EQ was to provide fun entertainment for everyone through running a casino, now this has been taken away due to the actions of a few "scammers". I fully understand both sides of the scale, and I still disagree on the matter. Antonican Gaming Commission was the 500th p99 guild, with the idea of putting all casinos under 1 reputable name.

I role play my ass off to provide fun, a good experience, to do free giveaways and bring something unique to EQ. So why are the actions of others prohibiting me from being able to provide this? Yet guilds disregard/break GM and player set rules, over and over again but we don't see full guilds getting banned for ruining your experience into the end game raid scene.

In this sense I feel discriminated against, I can't play the game how I'd like because of the actions of others and I'm being punished for it. Same thing when people say "Casinos should be at T2, or Shady because of all the Spam".. it's Rosa Parks all over again... You can just as easily TURN OFF random roll text as it is for me to walk to T2, this is PURE discrimination and I can not justify that. You don't like to gamble then don't otherwise get on with how you like to play the game, and I'll continue to play how I'd like to play.

Gambling at a casino for trusting someone to do an xfer for you that you don't fully trust, is AT YOUR OWN RISK, and that's how casinos should be handled. The GM's shouldn't be concerned with this issue, if you play at a casino and they "scam" you, well take note of it and don't play there again, same goes for people who say they'll do an xfer for you and run away with your stuff. I think you lose more players due to the end game raid scene and how the guilds handle that than you lose to "scammers".

To sum this up, I play EQ to provide this service so people can have some fun without the support of the players, I couldn't do any of the free giveaways or raffles, the things that are a true good service, without running a casino. So I'm asking you to re think your current ban on casinos. I already started and would be willing to be the representative of a reputable Casino guild. I'd really like to continue doing what I do best instead of uninstalling.

[Wrench]

Originally Posted by zforrestal [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You can just as easily TURN OFF random roll text as it is for me to walk to T2

lost me here

# people turn off (and later on) random >> # people walk to t2

[t3kn34k]

Originally Posted by zforrestal [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

To whom it may concern,
With the recent news on the ban of Casinos, I am deeply saddened. As some of you may know, I am Tookie and I run a very high standard casino. I have been around since Nov. 27th, 2009 running a casino and have never run into a problem with the legitimacy of my casino. The sole reason I played EQ was to provide fun entertainment for everyone through running a casino, now this has been taken away due to the actions of a few "scammers". I fully understand both sides of the scale, and I still disagree on the matter. Antonican Gaming Commission was the 500th p99 guild, with the idea of putting all casinos under 1 reputable name.

I role play my ass off to provide fun, a good experience, to do free giveaways and bring something unique to EQ. So why are the actions of others prohibiting me from being able to provide this? Yet guilds disregard/break GM and player set rules, over and over again but we don't see full guilds getting banned for ruining your experience into the end game raid scene.

In this sense I feel discriminated against, I can't play the game how I'd like because of the actions of others and I'm being punished for it. Same thing when people say "Casinos should be at T2, or Shady because of all the Spam".. it's Rosa Parks all over again... You can just as easily TURN OFF random roll text as it is for me to walk to T2, this is PURE discrimination and I can not justify that. You don't like to gamble then don't otherwise get on with how you like to play the game, and I'll continue to play how I'd like to play.

Gambling at a casino for trusting someone to do an xfer for you that you don't fully trust, is AT YOUR OWN RISK, and that's how casinos should be handled. The GM's shouldn't be concerned with this issue, if you play at a casino and they "scam" you, well take note of it and don't play there again, same goes for people who say they'll do an xfer for you and run away with your stuff. I think you lose more players due to the end game raid scene and how the guilds handle that than you lose to "scammers".

To sum this up, I play EQ to provide this service so people can have some fun without the support of the players, I couldn't do any of the free giveaways or raffles, the things that are a true good service, without running a casino. So I'm asking you to re think your current ban on casinos. I already started and would be willing to be the representative of a reputable Casino guild. I'd really like to continue doing what I do best instead of uninstalling.

This:
Also, I personally have left the game pretty much.
I hit 60 a while ago and made a ton of alts to mess around on, but i found a couple areas where the game could provide more interesting avenues.

--I became a tunnel rat, making deals with people now that i had plat to throw around was fun, but could get boring during the downtimes, so i started running a very low stakes casino: 500p to 5k, though often times newbies would want to bet their 50pp, which i would usually either give back when they lost or give them cool mid grade items that people had bet with me since they were obviously new to the server. This casino that i ran gained a good reputation and TBH did not "earn" boatloads of money, but, because it was low stakes, provided fun and thrill.

--I also applied for GMship upon Eunomia's advice. My application to DONATE my time as a VOLUNTEER did not even get a response, though it took well over an hour to write. but that's okay.

The truth of P99 is this:
a small group of the player base ruins the endgame content for everyone else by hogging it for some reason or other (probably RMT since i haven't seen a wave of bannings like the one last spring since.... well last spring.)

Many of my friends have quit: because of this and because the general consensus is that the people running the show aren't doing their job (ethically), and clearly do not want help.

It seems that the server admins are most concerned with the issue with the "fungi roll" where Arrowed artificially LD'd after the 666.

One person fucking it up for everyone doesnt seem legit. Especially with overwhelming proof of the one person's fraudulent actions. You have enough information to remove the item from the offending player and even, i would say, award it to the player who it was promised to.

This all being said, i support the sanctioning of a guild for trading/gaming.

[Olscratch]

Originally Posted by t3kn34k [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This:
The truth of P99 is this:
a small group of the player base ruins the endgame content for everyone else by hogging it for some reason or other (probably RMT since i haven't seen a wave of bannings like the one last spring since.... well last spring.)

Many of my friends have quit: because of this and because the general consensus is that the people running the show aren't doing their job (ethically), and clearly do not want help.

It seems that the server admins are most concerned with the issue with the "fungi roll" where Arrowed artificially LD'd after the 666.

One person fucking it up for everyone doesnt seem legit. Especially with overwhelming proof of the one person's fraudulent actions. You have enough information to remove the item from the offending player and even, i would say, award it to the player who it was promised to.

This all being said, i support the sanctioning of a guild for trading/gaming.

Even Derubael somewhat supported legal authorized casinos for a while but I guess decided to take the easiest route possible to deal with non-existent problem.

"It's more like operating a liquor store. Or... a casino. In Vegas they are all strictly regulated and overseen by the NGC. If I wanted to set up a license system where no one could have a license (effectively banning casinos) I'd just ban the casinos - it really doesn't effect me, and banning them altogether is less work. This was just an alternative solution in case my peers have reservations about a full on ban when we hold our meeting." - Derubael

Originally Posted by Derubael [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Not sure I understand this part, but we offer even better CSR support than they did on live. We will do many things the CSR staff on live simply wouldn't do, with a smaller staff, and similar population.

Just my opinion but you guys seem a lot more authoritative and ambitious about singlehandly shaping the server than the classic CSR.

Originally Posted by Derubael [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

edit: and for the last time, casino's werent removed because that one guy got scammed. The timing was just coincidentally in-line with our GM meeting.

What a weird coincidence that casinos are completely fine + classic for years then 2 weeks after Arrowed's "scam" all legit gambling and reputable casinos are put under prohibition with no explanation and no longer "in line with policies set during classic"! WOW! EXTREMELY COINCIDENTAL!


CONFIRMED EVIDENCE OF PLAYER RUN CASINOS SERVERS:
QUELLIOUS
VEESHAN
MORREL-THULE
ANTONIUS BAYLE
CAZIC-THULE
INNORUUK
THE SEVENTH HAMMER/LANYS T VYL
PREXUS
POVAR
XEGONY/ZEBUXORUK
FENNIN RO/TORVONNILOUS
BRISTLEBANE
DRINAL/TAREW MARR
MAELIN STARPYRE/VAZAELLE

CONFIRMED EVIDENCE OF GAMBLING PROHIBITION SERVERS:
PROJECT PROXYANDMQFEST

[Thulack]

Originally Posted by Olscratch [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Just my opinion but you guys seem a lot more authoritative and ambitious about singlehandly shaping the server than the classic CSR.

It's their server. They can do whatever the hell they want. If you don't like it no one stopping you from leaving.

[Olscratch]

Originally Posted by Thulack [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It's their server. They can do whatever the hell they want. If you don't like it no one stopping you from leaving.

Omg I had no idea no one was stopping me from leaving. This is fantastic!

[Derubael]

Casino's will never return.

If it was just an issue with scamming and nothing else, Casino's wouldn't be banned. We have our own reasons beyond that for removing them. Suffice it to say we've decided they are gone and won't be coming back.

[Orruar]

Originally Posted by Derubael [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Casino's will never return.

If it was just an issue with scamming and nothing else, Casino's wouldn't be banned. We have our own reasons beyond that for removing them. Suffice it to say we've decided they are gone and won't be coming back.

So not only do you refuse to give specifics on what is allowed and what isn't, which is akin to congress writing laws that nobody is allowed to read, except for the title, but now you refuse to give the reasons why the law was written in the first place? Awesome transparency there. Are we really at the point where we have too many people playing on the server and so the solution is to do everything in order turn people off?

[Fiyero]

Originally Posted by Orruar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So not only do you refuse to give specifics on what is allowed and what isn't, which is akin to congress writing laws that nobody is allowed to read, except for the title, but now you refuse to give the reasons why the law was written in the first place? Awesome transparency there. Are we really at the point where we have too many people playing on the server and so the solution is to do everything in order turn people off?

Pretty sure more people hated casinos than liked them, so I doubt this is going to be a huge dent in server population.

It was at GM discretion on live as to whether Casinos were allowed or not. The GMs here decided they're no longer allowed, but will probably add NPC gambling later (I guess like Luclin and the Golden Ticket).