HELP ME ROGEAN!!

[Bardalicious]

Originally Posted by Derubael [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Since this is all out here in Server Chat anyway, I'll save myself the time of responding to both of your threads separately:

1) I don't care what you guys work out, so long as it doesn't require any special treatment by Server Staff (IE, name changes, account resets, moving of loginserver accounts, etc)

2) As far as we're concerned, we never supported account trading to begin with. If someone traded an EQEmu account but continued to play on a loginserver account associated with that EQEmu and is now paying the price... well, I'd say it's up to the person you sold the account to on how to proceed. Bottom line here is if you traded an account, please don't ask us to do extra work if you didn't do it right and are now experiencing problems. We have enough to deal with without having to go around cleaning up people's messes that could have easily been avoided with a little forethought and standard internet security practices.

It's a shitty situation, but at a cursory glance (which is all I'm really willing to put into this) I can't tell who owned what when or what happened from there. If we wanted to go digging we could sort it out, but really, what's the point? It would take an inordinate amount of time, again, for something we didn't support in the first place, and my position would likely remain the same. I understand the frustration, but it seems Cloki is willing to work something out with Bardalicious, which is a lot more than most would be offering right now.

That's where I'm at on all of this. There's a fine line between an account being stolen, and an EQemulator account having it's LS server passwords reset. We told people time and time again to not share account information, trade accounts, etc., and I would think it would be common sense that if you're going to sell an Eqemulator account, you'd better be sure you don't have any other Loginserver accounts on that Eqemu.

I'm going to close out both of your petitions today when I get a chance. If you guys need further help with this beyond the guidelines I've laid out in this post, feel free to re-petition.

It's fucking absurd that you're claiming you can't tell who owned what accounts. 90% of All of the IP addresses on log for BOTH of those accounts come from the state I live in, with the short exception of a 6 month stint of living in NC. You can see that, so don't use that bullshit excuse as a cop-out. Especially since YOU unbanned MY cleric for me like a year ago. So... seriously?? Holy fuck..

The fact of the matter is that it would have taken minimal effort to help me BEFORE the shit hit the fan, since I petitioned BEFORE Pan stole my fucking accounts.

You may not support account trading, but Rogean HIMSELF stated the original owner is always consider the owner of an account. So where the fuck is the confusion? Those login server accounts were secure and solely in my possession until a change was made to enable SMS password resets, 6 fucking years after this place opened, so now I should be punished because of it?

I used to think you were one of few GMs that had any sort of compassion Deru, but wow was I wrong.

[Circa.]

my account got hacked into, somehow. Name was Circa Survive, whoever STOLE it petitioned to get the surname removed(so a fairly easy line to the culprit). Yet nothing at all, this has happened for a year now. Good luck with you scenario.

[Juryiel]

Originally Posted by Derubael [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Since this is all out here in Server Chat anyway, I'll save myself the time of responding to both of your threads separately:

1) I don't care what you guys work out, so long as it doesn't require any special treatment by Server Staff (IE, name changes, account resets, moving of loginserver accounts, etc)

If GMs don't even consider the moving of accounts as a possible solution, I would not in a million years give any of the accounts on that emu to someone under any conditions. That person, if he so decided for any reason, could easily do something against the rules on purpose to possibly get all of my accounts banned including the ones not on the shared emu.

[indiscriminate_hater]

Originally Posted by Bardalicious [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It's fucking absurd that you're claiming you can't tell who owned what accounts. 90% of All of the IP addresses on log for BOTH of those accounts come from the state I live in, with the short exception of a 6 month stint of living in NC. You can see that, so don't use that bullshit excuse as a cop-out. Especially since YOU unbanned MY cleric for me like a year ago. So... seriously?? Holy fuck..

The fact of the matter is that it would have taken minimal effort to help me BEFORE the shit hit the fan, since I petitioned BEFORE Pan stole my fucking accounts.

You may not support account trading, but Rogean HIMSELF stated the original owner is always consider the owner of an account. So where the fuck is the confusion? Those login server accounts were secure and solely in my possession until a change was made to enable SMS password resets, 6 fucking years after this place opened, so now I should be punished because of it?

I used to think you were one of few GMs that had any sort of compassion Deru, but wow was I wrong.

A whole lot of bad assumptions and faulty reasoning in this here post

[Pan]

So...in the interest of putting this to bed w/o Staff help, here's my offer:

1. Bard: figure out how to get this one unbanned and I'll change the PW for you whenever you want. I have no interest on anything on red. Just don't compromise the emu. I don't know what else to do here.

2. Cleric: Create a NEW emu with a L1 cleric on it and give me the infos. Within 2-3 weeks, I'll have him leveled to 49 with the Cleric's original gear on it and that will be that. Sorry about the name loss, but I cannot do anything about that.

I think, given the unwillingness of the staff to intervene, that this is the most sane, fair thing that I can come up with. And I think it's waaaaaaaaaay more than I'm obligated to do.

[Ket]

Originally Posted by Bardalicious [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It's fucking absurd that you're claiming you can't tell who owned what accounts. 90% of All of the IP addresses on log for BOTH of those accounts come from the state I live in, with the short exception of a 6 month stint of living in NC. You can see that, so don't use that bullshit excuse as a cop-out. Especially since YOU unbanned MY cleric for me like a year ago. So... seriously?? Holy fuck..

The fact of the matter is that it would have taken minimal effort to help me BEFORE the shit hit the fan, since I petitioned BEFORE Pan stole my fucking accounts.

You may not support account trading, but Rogean HIMSELF stated the original owner is always consider the owner of an account. So where the fuck is the confusion? Those login server accounts were secure and solely in my possession until a change was made to enable SMS password resets, 6 fucking years after this place opened, so now I should be punished because of it?

I used to think you were one of few GMs that had any sort of compassion Deru, but wow was I wrong.

Take note. This is how you get GM's on your side! SAY IT AGAIN!

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[Derubael]

Originally Posted by Bardalicious [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It's fucking absurd that you're claiming you can't tell who owned what accounts. 90% of All of the IP addresses on log for BOTH of those accounts come from the state I live in, with the short exception of a 6 month stint of living in NC. You can see that, so don't use that bullshit excuse as a cop-out. Especially since YOU unbanned MY cleric for me like a year ago. So... seriously?? Holy fuck..

The fact of the matter is that it would have taken minimal effort to help me BEFORE the shit hit the fan, since I petitioned BEFORE Pan stole my fucking accounts.

You may not support account trading, but Rogean HIMSELF stated the original owner is always consider the owner of an account. So where the fuck is the confusion? Those login server accounts were secure and solely in my possession until a change was made to enable SMS password resets, 6 fucking years after this place opened, so now I should be punished because of it?

I used to think you were one of few GMs that had any sort of compassion Deru, but wow was I wrong.

Originally Posted by Derubael

It would take an inordinate amount of time, again, for something we didn't support in the first place, and my position would likely remain the same

And by the way, I've gone the extra mile for you in the past. I'm sorry that I'm not willing to do it again for something we've never supported.

[Bardalicious]

Oh, and I know for a fact from others and by your own admission that you've done character transfers on accounts for people in the past. Talk about unfair and unequal treatment. This is a cut-and-dry situation, of which I presented a multitude of facts in my case, on top of 5 years of IP logs to prove that I was the owner of those accounts, and yet you're not going to give it more than a "cursory glance".

I guess babysitting guilds in VP so they can get their 136th dragon kill without being KSed is more important than someone that just lost two accounts that they've spent 5 years playing.

[Swish]

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[Bardalicious]

Originally Posted by Derubael [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

And by the way, I've gone the extra mile for you in the past. I'm sorry that I'm not willing to do it again for something we've never supported.

So what you're saying is that:

Originally Posted by Rogean

the original owner of an account will always be considered the owner of the account.

Means nothing since you won't enforce it.

This shouldn't even be an issue here at p99, but the fact of the matter is that you can't get ANY help from Rogean with account management at eqemu so we're forced to try to beg for help from GMs here? It's pretty fucking laughable, especially with the clear "don't give a shit" attitude you all display when getting asked for said help.