Why I don't like to group

[Troy]

Originally Posted by Taluvill [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

For once, I actually agree with Tiki here. Grouping is much faster, and, pre-manastone it was basically all that I did. I got my manastone at 34 duoing the camp with a 29 Druid. Grouping in Sol A was much better than anything I could have asked for soloing.

When I got my manastone, Keeping the BB docks clear and the BB house clear was awesome exp, as BB has a newbie exp bonus. With a Manastone (not a usual item), I can hit loads of exp while I was LFG on the global channels. Once I was able to get into a Sol B Royals group though (usually didn't take too long because the same good players kept camps and invited the same good players)
the exp was MUCH better. Grouping Exp is much better.


tldr: Unless I'm quadding with regen and my manastone, grouping is much faster. and even quadding with my manastone, soloing was still slower most of the time (depends on the group members and the particular camp.)

Druids are extremely slow at soloing, of course grouping will be faster for you. Keep in mind that a mage can solo at like 5x the rate of a druid.

[Tseng]

Originally Posted by yaeger [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I don't see the greater reward, in either loot or exp. Nobody else does either.

ur doing it wrong

[yaeger]

Well in reference to my earlier example, I'll do a number cruncher. Take it how you will. I'm going to assume that..

Originally Posted by Troy [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

My mage routinely killed 5 mobs every 6 minutes all the way up through level 50. Show me a group killing 30+ mobs every 6 minutes anywhere Reiker...

is telling the truth, that he frequently did and could kill 5 mobs every 6 minutes.

The group would have to kill at least 30 mobs every 6 minutes, that's pulling and killing a mob every 12 seconds for 6 minutes without resting or medding.

I don't know many clerics, druids, shaman, wizards, enchanters, whatever that can take on 30 mobs in a 6 minute time frame without letting up and not run out of mana.

How long can the mage keep this up? Can he med while his pet kills and keep going after the 5 mobs/6 mins? Can the group continue to kill a mob every 12 seconds for hours and hours?

You want us to believe that a group can knock out more experience, that might be true if 6 mages grouped together. But please, provide numbers, examples, something we can grasp other than vague assurances.

[Troy]

I dare anyone to show me a group getting a level every 2-2.5 hours at lvl 40+, hell even 30+ because that's what a solo mage can do with no risk at all.

[Sarkov]

Does a duo count? My wife & I (mnk/shm) beat that by a lot... did 41-43 in ~3.5 hours in lguk today. (granted the bonus helps).

[Troy]

Ditching the bonus that's 2.2 hours per level, not beating it by any means.

[Reiker]

It's pointless to crunch numbers when you don't even know the algorithm that P99 is using for experience.

[yaeger]

Originally Posted by Reiker [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It's pointless to crunch numbers when you don't even know the algorithm that P99 is using for experience.

It's not pointless, look at page 2 of this topic where I quoted one of the developers on this very subject.

[Reiker]

Originally Posted by yaeger [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It's not pointless, look at page 2 of this topic where I quoted one of the developers on this very subject.

Then your math is bad. You're saying that a full group would have to kill 30+ mobs every 6 minutes to compete with a soloer. If a group was killing 30 mobs / 6 minutes, and a soloer killing 5 / 6 minutes, the full group would be receiving approximately 10% more exp than the soloer and that's not factoring things such as better zone ZEM, less downtime, etc.

[yaeger]

Originally Posted by Reiker [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Then your math is bad. You're saying that a full group would have to kill 30+ mobs every 6 minutes to compete with a soloer. If a group was killing 30 mobs / 6 minutes, and a soloer killing 5 / 6 minutes, the full group would be receiving approximately 10% more exp than the soloer and that's not factoring things such as better zone ZEM, less downtime, etc.

Serious.. you didn't even read the post?