Variance

[Buhbuh]

Originally Posted by hivemind [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The fact that you have not quoted to refute any of my original post means that you haven't read (or been able to understand) my post, or that you are unable to refute my continuous assertions that a variance system will bring more competition to this server.

I understand that the idea itself, as obvious as it may seem to me, may be harder for other people to understand. For this reason, I actually went to some length to explain in very simple terms how a no-variance system takes away competitiveness and reinforces the power of "strength in numbers" strategy.

I didn't quote them because I don't care about your post. You're being pedantic and arrogant for no reason. Do you talk down to people like that all the time, or is it just fun for you?

I'm not even talking to you or arguing for/ against variance. I'm being critical of a guild that was doing well and is now on the boards asking for changes more frequently than usual after only a few weeks of not doing well.

I could care less if variance is implemented. If you want me to refute you though, Nihilum has more neckbeards that will sit in every zone where a raid target is due and still get 90% of the targets.

In theory, with pvp, the potential is wider for other guilds to get mobs, surely, but even that can be curbed by even more zerging on one side. People will adapt. They always do.

[hivemind]

Originally Posted by Buhbuh [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I didn't quote them because I don't care about your post. You're being pedantic and arrogant for no reason. Do you talk down to people like that all the time, or is it just fun for you?

I'm not even talking to you or arguing for/ against variance. I'm being critical of a guild that was doing well and is now on the boards asking for changes more frequently than usual after only a few weeks of not doing well.

I could care less if variance is implemented. If you want me to refute you though, Nihilum has more neckbeards that will sit in every zone where a raid target is due and still get 90% of the targets.

In theory, with pvp, the potential is wider for other guilds to get mobs, surely, but even that can be curbed by even more zerging on one side. People will adapt. They always do.

You are definitely being critical, definitely being biased, and definitely not thinking. Being "critical" is one very important part of critical thinking. However, I would argue that "thinking" is the even more important aspect of "critical thinking".

You did not quote or refute my post because you cannot. My post is not about Lite or Nihilum or Azrael, it is about variance and the competitiveness of a server. I see that you have no interest in discussing what is good for the server... rather you are following your own agenda (not the thread's). Let me requote you so you don't think I'm just making personal attacks. In your own words:

Originally Posted by Buhbuh [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I'm not even talking to you or arguing for/ against variance. I'm being critical of a guild

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Originally Posted by Buhbuh [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I could care less if variance is implemented.

I am pretty sure we all know that you meant to say that you "couldn't care less" if variance was implemented. (And I know that you have a predisposition for calling me pedantic--but let it be known that I place value on meaning what I say. This doesn't mean that I don't try my best to interpret what you are trying to say, even if it involves me replacing words you typed yourself for words that I imagine you wanted to write.) But what you have effectively conveyed is that you don't actually care about variance or no-variance... you are posting in this thread to be critical about a guild. That would suggest that your posts are both unrelated (unhelpful) to this thread, and that you are trying to create drama by turning this thread about a server mechanic (variance) into your critical remarks about a particular guild or its leader.

[Mac Drettj]

Hahaha itiot

[lite]

Because on blue you can conviniently sit afk at a spawn point with 40+ people waiting for a teamspeak poke, while a monk leaves a cat on his keyboard spamming the javlin button. The red equivalent here is much more of a task, and won't be carried out on targets that are less desirable to a guild. aka .. things will start slipping and motivate smaller crews. You are are not gonna get Phara dar numbers on all tiers of mobs. Red style variance will be a task to lock down, and the biggest guild will still be rewarded with the most gear for it.

[Nirgon]

On blue the people that leave red to join TMO get denied.

[Mac Drettj]

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[Kergan]

So if the same guild still gets most the loot what's the point? Wasting hundreds of hours on the worst aspect of EverQuest so 10% of the less active population can see a dragon once a month will just drive people away.

[karsten]

hey guys, a variance thread!

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[lite]

Originally Posted by Kergan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

So if the same guild still gets most the loot what's the point? Wasting hundreds of hours on the worst aspect of EverQuest so 10% of the less active population can see a dragon once a month will just drive people away.

when you say the worst aspect, you are thinking that these people sitting at the spawn are not going to be getting PVP'd . Believe me, my crew and many other crews will be actively causing PVP in whatever location a spawn is expected and people are gathered. This isn't blue, its such a different dynamic. Fights will be breaking out all over the place. In addition to that, burning "hundreds of hours" poopsocking is optional. If a VP guild wants to be dicks and try and camp the time slot Fay Talendor Trakanon and other shit that could go towards people with nothing, then they should have to pay the price. Not this convenient nonsense.

[Kergan]

Originally Posted by lite [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

when you say the worst aspect, you are thinking that these people sitting at the spawn are not going to be getting PVP'd . Believe me, my crew and many other crews will be actively causing PVP in whatever location a spawn is expected and people are gathered. This isn't blue, its such a different dynamic.

Not the kind of PVP I'm interested in, man. I'm surprised the idea of porting around wiping out level 10 ranger trackbots excites you.