The New TMO - Page 5

HeallunRumblebelly · #41 05-25-2014, 10:18 AM

SOME OTHER GREAT GM READS:

Sirken: if you do not have FTE, you do not kill the mob. you wait for the mob to reset.

end of discussion.

Getsome: how does that work when the person who got FTE is dead and not guilded?

Sirken: the same way it works when the person who got FTE is dead and is guilded.

Getsome: I disagree. (etc. etc. post continues)

Sirken: that player golden has pulled multiple raid mobs for TMO, i've confirmed this is the logs. dont act like its some player you've never seen before.

you can make whatever argument you like, at the end of the day, you didn't have FTE, and after that person died, there was never a new FTE message given.

you had absolutely zero reason to think the mob was yours.

next time it happens you will get a week break from raiding. one of the most important things in the raid scene is to respect each others FTE messages.

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At the end of the day, Uthgaard 2014.

Erydan Ouragan · #42 05-25-2014, 10:22 AM

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Originally Posted by YendorLootmonkey [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

If Golden is a regular puller, then there is absolutely no reason he shouldn't be tagged right now unless you are purposely trying to cloud the engagement since there's very little way to do that now with FTE shouts.

What better way to confuse your competition and luring them into a petitionable offense than to mimic the ol' "some random newb accidentally aggro'd the outdoor dragon" scenario.

Is there any question why we don't want to deal with shady underhanded shit like this?

I admit it's pretty shady, but also easily avoidable. Look at the FTE shout. Is it one of your guys? No? Then you back off. Doesn't matter if the char is unguilded, or a lvl 5 bard alt with drums doing the pulling. If you see a new FTE message, you engage again.

Backing off when you don't have FTE should be an automatic reflex, because it's clearly stated in the rules.

YendorLootmonkey · #43 05-25-2014, 10:24 AM

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Originally Posted by HeallunRumblebelly [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Indeed, we forced them to not wait for a new FTE message. God we're so fucking shady, Flippie on vent with like 50 of us pulling a mob for 15 minutes. Ask who's pulling? THERE'S NO TIME, BETTER KILL AND LOOT IT TO BE SURE.

Also, go read raid discussion. One of sirken's post on third page of this event's post--golden's pulled fay many many times and has been on the logs for doing so. Why did IB just now decide that golden was no longer pulling to TMO?

Question still hasnt been answered... if Golden is a regular puller for TMO, why isn't he tagged TMO? For the simple purpose of obfuscation of the engagement, right? Or is there another reason?

Or are you championing that all guilds should just remove guildtags for all their pullers to make FTE more of a clusterfuck after we finally got the FTE shouts to help uncloud the situation?

HeallunRumblebelly · #44 05-25-2014, 10:29 AM

If all the pullers wanted to remove their tags it'd be fine, because you know that it wasn't you who had the pull regardless. Two on spawn would still be easy to check via ip tracking as it has been done in the past. Guilds would still pull it to the correct camp because they know which pullers are there. We don't really even need these guild tags--we hang out in ventrilo and know the members.

You'd have to ask Flippie why he's not tagged. But as Sirken said, it's irrelevant to the discussion at hand. Definitely something you could bring up, though.

hatelore · #45 05-25-2014, 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by HeallunRumblebelly [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Indeed, we forced them to not wait for a new FTE message. God we're so fucking shady, Flippie on vent with like 50 of us pulling a mob for 15 minutes. Ask who's pulling? THERE'S NO TIME, BETTER KILL AND LOOT IT TO BE SURE.

Also, go read raid discussion. One of sirken's post on third page of this event's post--golden's pulled fay many many times and has been on the logs for doing so. Why did IB just now decide that golden was no longer pulling to TMO?

He had every fuckin reason in the world to think the mob was his if Golden wasn't even tagged in tmo lol. Without a tag, Silver, or golden or whatever, has zero relevance to whether a mob belongs to tmo on a pull whatsoever. Glad I am done with this shit stain of a server lol. At least on red, you can kill opposing douche bags.

Without a Tag, You guys are seriously bending the rules by allowing that guy to pull for you. So what is it now, you have 2 reps in zone, plus an unguilded chars?

HeallunRumblebelly · #46 05-25-2014, 10:34 AM

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Originally Posted by hatelore [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

He had every fuckin reason in the world to think the mob was his if Golden wasn't even tagged in tmo lol. Without a tag, Silver, or golden or whatever, has zero relevance to whether a mob belongs to tmo on a pull whatsoever. Glad I am done with this shit stain of a server lol. At least on red, you can kill opposing douche bags.

Without a Tag, You guys are seriously bending the rules by allowing that guy to pull for you. So what is it now, you have 2 reps in zone, plus an unguilded chars?

You have no reason to believe any raid mob is yours without yellow text. It's been this way since forever. If it turns out Golden was some random jackoff kiting faydedar because of his secret hatred for IB, he'd be punished severely. You still have to wait for the yellow text.

Daldaen · #47 05-25-2014, 10:35 AM

Who is Golden btw? IE Whose character is it?

HeallunRumblebelly · #48 05-25-2014, 10:36 AM

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Who is Golden btw? IE Whose character is it?

Think it's Flippie, don't quote me on that, though.

hatelore · #49 05-25-2014, 10:38 AM

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Originally Posted by HeallunRumblebelly [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

You have no reason to believe any raid mob is yours without yellow text. It's been this way since forever. If it turns out Golden was some random jackoff kiting faydedar because of his secret hatred for IB, he'd be punished severely. You still have to wait for the yellow text.

And you have no reason to believe the mob is tmo's, if he doesn't wear your tag. Why even cause all of that confusion? Tmo is the PREMIER guild, why wouldn't he just get an invite?

HeallunRumblebelly · #50 05-25-2014, 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by hatelore [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

And you have no reason to believe the mob is tmo's, if he doesn't wear your tag. Why even cause all of that confusion? Tmo is the PREMIER guild, why wouldn't he just get an invite?

Except I'm literally talking to this guy on ventrilo as he's giving me a play by play on how close the mob is, with another guy having eyes on the mob. He's invited now, not sure why he wasn't tagged before, you'll have to ask him. But again, irrelevant.