Reporting multibox behavior

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Originally Posted by Nedala [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

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[Itchybottom]

Originally Posted by Alawen Everywhere [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Enjoy karma.

I can't take it anymore. Sorry about the de-rail here, but I keep seeing people on this forum using karma completely wrong. It is NOT cause and effect, that is nothing more than westernized non-sense and misunderstanding. Karma spans over multiple life spans, and it is VERY RARE for karma to influence your current life and especially instantly and or the present.

That being said, back to the thread at hand. Detecting multi-boxers can be a real hassle. A lot of behavior such as a character following around another character, only healing or buffing every now and then could simply be explained away as a room-mate, girlfriend, wife, friend helping the person out. I haven't done much grouping with my girlfriend on this server (mainly because she overpulls and always gets herself killed) but if I power leveled her, the amount of pause between me pulling something, and her engaging the NPC because she's an air head when it comes to spatial awareness; it would CERTAINLY look like I'm two boxing.

There was also a scenario I encountered where I supposedly got reported for two-boxing a trade in east common lands tunnel. I was on my rogue, she [my girlfriend] was on my mage and I had her hand my rogue two bags full of stuff. The comment I got in say was "Fucking two boxers" ... Both clients were human attended, but there was no way of telling this. It's not cut and dry as people are making it out to be for reporting someone and it creates work for the server staff to investigate. Be sure about it, look into it, follow the person around. If it's important enough to report, it's important enough to investigate yourself. Treat it like a train event, FRAPS it. Log your conversation with them. Take intermediary screen shots of strange behavior.

I don't know the server staff that well, but I've seen it more times than not that GMs on EQEMU server staff will ban people without a thorough investigation, just because there is nothing better to do than witch hunt after the important petitions are clear. The jealousy on these servers make people see things that aren't really happening. (GM abuse is a prime example -- I doubt it happens here, but there are a shit load of you telling me on a daily basis that it is)

[Lazortag]

I can't take it anymore. Sorry about the de-rail here, but I keep seeing people on this forum using karma completely wrong. It is NOT cause and effect, that is nothing more than westernized non-sense and misunderstanding. Karma spans over multiple life spans, and it is VERY RARE for karma to influence your current life and especially instantly and or the present.

I'm pretty sure most people don't believe in this unfalsifiable voodoo shit. Just saying.

[yaeger]

Originally Posted by Itchybottom [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I was on my rogue, she [my girlfriend] was on my mage and I had her hand my rogue two bags full of stuff. The comment I got in say was "Fucking two boxers" ... Both clients were human attended, but there was no way of telling this.

I don't know the server staff that well, but I've seen it more times than not that GMs on EQEMU server staff will ban people without a thorough investigation, just because there is nothing better to do than witch hunt after the important petitions are clear. The jealousy on these servers make people see things that aren't really happening. (GM abuse is a prime example -- I doubt it happens here, but there are a shit load of you telling me on a daily basis that it is)

You, as a single person, having two separate accounts of active characters sounds like a recipe for trouble.

Technically it's not wrong, but it increases the chance of a honest misunderstanding. I can't see why any one person would need two separate accounts in order to play on this server without boxing.

Yes, some people would find it suspicious.

[Itchybottom]

Originally Posted by yaeger [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I can't see why any one person would need two separate accounts in order to play on this server without boxing.

"Do you want to borrow my mage to camp ____?" is the exact reason.

[azxten]

Originally Posted by Itchybottom [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I can't take it anymore. Sorry about the de-rail here, but I keep seeing people on this forum using karma completely wrong. It is NOT cause and effect, that is nothing more than westernized non-sense and misunderstanding. Karma spans over multiple life spans, and it is VERY RARE for karma to influence your current life and especially instantly and or the present.

Karma is a word in sanskrit for action. An action can be good, bad, or neutral. In western culture there is a tendency to mystify karma. It's more of a logical or philosophical truth.

If you perform bad actions a lot it will come back in a negative way because of our conscience. What a bad action is or isn't is determined by that individual and this is why intent, etc is so important.

For example, if you don't like hurting animals and in a fit of rage you kick your dog that will have a negative impact on you in addition to the dog that manifests itself in your psyche. A lot of people lie about what does or doesn't bother them morally and so we perform a lot of actions that we know are bad and they come back to haunt us. The opposite is also true. If you think helping sick people is a good action and you spend all your time in hospitals volunteering then you will tend to be happy, etc as a result.

Now the "over lifetimes" statement is also a bit misleading because the view of life in this philosophy is that of an ocean of energy and all the life we see are like ripples on the surface of that ocean caused by the winds of the physical plane. We are all the same life but our perspective makes us see those waves as individual entities while ignoring the ocean they arise from. So, by either performing good or bad actions within your own moral compass you are affecting all of life and the energy that life has (Is life happy or sad?).

To go one step further the western view is that life arises from the physical which produces a mind. The eastern view is that life arises from the mind which requires a physical manifestation. We are composed of all these cells but how are those cells arranged in the way they are? Our physical form is a crystallization around the energy signature that is us. At conception the entire entity that will eventually "exist" already exists in the information stored in their DNA. Energy is consumed to begin that crystallization process in the correct way to form the entity that has been created. Phantom limb pain is a good physical example of this. People lose a limb but still feel it's there because their energy signature hasn't adapted to its loss. Picture animals like salamanders that can regenerate body parts. Humans lost this ability in exchange for extremely complicated cellular organization.

Similar to the way our cells divide and multiply so has DNA and whatever DNA arose from and so on. You consider yourself a single entity but acknowledge you're made up of tiny cells, bacteria, etc all working to produce you and all of this arose from you splitting off from your two parents in the same way a skin cell is formed, lives its life, dies, and flakes off. If you consider yourself a single entity but can acknowledge all the smaller entities that make you exist is it so hard to imagine life as a whole being a single entity made up of its component cells? Personally I like to think of life as an animal itself that is not evolving but rather just aging.

I'm pretty sure most people don't believe in this unfalsifiable voodoo shit. Just saying.

Where does the voodoo come into play?

[kenzar]

Originally Posted by Alawen Everywhere [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Either one makes you a thief. If spreading the theft out makes you think you're not a thief, then you're lying to yourself, which would also make you a... liar.

Enjoy karma.

Im a thief. Im a liar. Theres my church, i sing in the choir.

- Eddie Vedder

[kenzar]

Originally Posted by azxten [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Karma is a word in sanskrit for action. An action can be good, bad, or neutral. In western culture there is a tendency to mystify karma. It's more of a logical or philosophical truth.

If you perform bad actions a lot it will come back in a negative way because of our conscience. What a bad action is or isn't is determined by that individual and this is why intent, etc is so important.

For example, if you don't like hurting animals and in a fit of rage you kick your dog that will have a negative impact on you in addition to the dog that manifests itself in your psyche. A lot of people lie about what does or doesn't bother them morally and so we perform a lot of actions that we know are bad and they come back to haunt us. The opposite is also true. If you think helping sick people is a good action and you spend all your time in hospitals volunteering then you will tend to be happy, etc as a result.

Now the "over lifetimes" statement is also a bit misleading because the view of life in this philosophy is that of an ocean of energy and all the life we see are like ripples on the surface of that ocean caused by the winds of the physical plane. We are all the same life but our perspective makes us see those waves as individual entities while ignoring the ocean they arise from. So, by either performing good or bad actions within your own moral compass you are affecting all of life and the energy that life has (Is life happy or sad?).

To go one step further the western view is that life arises from the physical which produces a mind. The eastern view is that life arises from the mind which requires a physical manifestation. We are composed of all these cells but how are those cells arranged in the way they are? Our physical form is a crystallization around the energy signature that is us. At conception the entire entity that will eventually "exist" already exists in the information stored in their DNA. Energy is consumed to begin that crystallization process in the correct way to form the entity that has been created. Phantom limb pain is a good physical example of this. People lose a limb but still feel it's there because their energy signature hasn't adapted to its loss. Picture animals like salamanders that can regenerate body parts. Humans lost this ability in exchange for extremely complicated cellular organization.

Similar to the way our cells divide and multiply so has DNA and whatever DNA arose from and so on. You consider yourself a single entity but acknowledge you're made up of tiny cells, bacteria, etc all working to produce you and all of this arose from you splitting off from your two parents in the same way a skin cell is formed, lives its life, dies, and flakes off. If you consider yourself a single entity but can acknowledge all the smaller entities that make you exist is it so hard to imagine life as a whole being a single entity made up of its component cells? Personally I like to think of life as an animal itself that is not evolving but rather just aging.



Where does the voodoo come into play?

TLDNR, buuuuuut I like what this man has to say.

[Itchybottom]

Originally Posted by kenzar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I like what this man has to say.

Other than the fact he's mostly talking about ego rather than karma, I too enjoyed reading it.

[Noleafclover]

Originally Posted by kenzar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Oh no a multiboxer! go run and tell teacher Dominick, hurry! what a fucking narc! i bet u are the type of person who calls the police when he sees people 'smoking marijuana cigarettes'. before you take the time to fraps this 'multi-boxer' you should instead open up the arteries in your arms and just bleed out.

ps no one likes a taddle-tail.

Originally Posted by kenzar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

but I think the gms should be the ones enforcing the boxing rules, and not rely on the playerbase to police things for them. I didn't make the rule and I don't care about people boxing. there are 785ppl online right now, as long as none of them are boxing, its official; 1/785th of the server will not report people boxing.

So from the second, you think it should be stopped, but from the first - not by the players. *scratches head* What kind of crazy belief system is this? Inconsistent troll is inconsistent.

But, on the other hand, got a bunch of bites, so successful troll is successful!

P.S. if I read you right, you're saying that 785/785 people won't report (I guess because if someone would do something, they must be doing it every second of every day... not really.. sure...), so that's 785/785ths, not 1/785ths.