Champions of Norrath

[Wonton]

Originally Posted by Ektar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

And, from another post, Wenai said he looked at this proposal and said it has no place on this server. Honestly, you said we need to work it out ourselves, and when we do... you say no? Even without "[reading] it in full detail?" Especially based on this response, if it's a system we want to do, then let us do it... I know it's hard for parents to let their children make their own choices when those choices don't meet with their own... but, you have to do it (that is, if you don't want to babysit us).

this is lol.

[quido]

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May I interest you in a book? Here's one called "How To Cut Hair." I only read half of it...

[Wonton]

how'd you find my picture??? wtf

[Ektar]

Also, something mentioned about waiting until midnight of the last day to kill Cazic so you get him at the start of your next rotation... Honestly, that can be solved by the following being in the agreement:


No Bullshit


You may want everything mapped perfectly, every detail specified... but I think on something so simple we can be civilized people and agree to just kill cazic or inny or whatever once per week. during your week, you get to kill him once. You fail to do it in your week, you miss your chance. You get him on the ropes as your time's up, then ask the other guild if you can stay an extra hour... then they get to kill your CT the next time (perhaps a week + 1day to regularize it back in the middle). Let's sneak around and manipulated any other points, but shit so simple as that? "No Bullshit" should suffice.

[Taluvill]

Originally Posted by Ektar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Also, something mentioned about waiting until midnight of the last day to kill Cazic so you get him at the start of your next rotation... Honestly, that can be solved by the following being in the agreement:


No Bullshit


You may want everything mapped perfectly, every detail specified... but I think on something so simple we can be civilized people and agree to just kill cazic or inny or whatever once per week. during your week, you get to kill him once. You fail to do it in your week, you miss your chance. You get him on the ropes as your time's up, then ask the other guild if you can stay an extra hour... then they get to kill your CT the next time (perhaps a week + 1day to regularize it back in the middle). Let's sneak around and manipulated any other points, but shit so simple as that? "No Bullshit" should suffice.

Exactly. If we can all agree to a winner vrs loser and actually stick to it without someone from either guild trying to rile up the other guild... And we can act like respectable human beings and respect spawns and stuff... this would work wonderfully.

I honestly think Hasbin + Allizia needs to look and take the important bits from people's ideas here and organize a formal write up for wenai and the team to take a peak at.

Hasbin's foundation along with allizia's adds, and my tidbits+everyone else's tidbits (like ektars for example) should be included. I want my name stamped on there somewhere too [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Edit: I just thought of this, but this isn't just the leadership's decision. The regular members (like myself) need to have a vote in the process as well, i know a lot of people who are extremely uncomfortable with this idea.

[karsten]

trading off mobs is retarded, there should be a ffa on all raid mobs, either with variance or without, and gms shouldn't be involved. it's not rocket science.

All this talk about finding ways to share mobs is making people thing mobs ought to be shared, which they aren't. The whole paradigm is misguided, as are discussions about it

[Reiker]

Originally Posted by karsten [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

trading off mobs is retarded, there should be a ffa on all raid mobs, either with variance or without, and gms shouldn't be involved. it's not rocket science.

All this talk about finding ways to share mobs is making people thing mobs ought to be shared, which they aren't. The whole paradigm is misguided, as are discussions about it

The GMs have made it quite apparent that they don't want to run this server like actual classic EQ (FFA), so we're trying to find "the next best thing."

The whole point of the PVP aspect is that each guild gets to "decide their fate" in a way... /randoming defeats the whole idea.

[Hasbinbad]

Originally Posted by Reiker [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The GMs have made it quite apparent that they don't want to run this server like actual classic EQ (FFA), so we're trying to find "the next best thing."

The whole point of the PVP aspect is that each guild gets to "decide their fate" in a way... /randoming defeats the whole idea.

I agree, while it would be fair the /randoming idea defeats the point of the competitive aspect of this system. IMO all a guild needs to do is state their intention to attempt a raid mob to get on this rotation.

Since this is an issue, maybe some more words on how it would work for a new person..

We're going to have to say that certain milestones have to be met first. Have you cleanly taken down the seahorses and Phinny? Have you attempted and downed a dragon? No CT picks until you take down a dragon. If a guild wants in on the pick, they state their intention to try Nagafen or Vox, and we're going to have to let them. To be fair, so that the "on deck" guild isn't stepped on, they should get the NEXT dragon, not the expected one. They follow the same rules of engagement as other guilds, but if they don't get the kill, they don't get a spot in the next duel.

I apologize, but since it is pertinent, and because Allizia wanted to add the 24 hour clause to this idea, I am now going to temporarily hijack my own thread.
The rules of engagement need to be reworked. 24 hours to "engage and kill" is ludicrous. 24 hours to engage seems like a long time but fair, but to get as many attempts as you want during that time rewards failure. Something like "24 hours to engage and make 2 (solid) attempts (wipes - not including resets due to aggro during setup etc.)." If you can't get your target down, you need to step aside and let someone else try. This is just my opinion, but we do need to work it out.

[Hasbinbad]

Originally Posted by karsten [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

trading off mobs is retarded, there should be a ffa on all raid mobs, either with variance or without, and gms shouldn't be involved. it's not rocket science.

All this talk about finding ways to share mobs is making people thing mobs ought to be shared, which they aren't. The whole paradigm is misguided, as are discussions about it

I agree 100%, but in a theoretical way that applies to my pipe dream.

Wenai has specifically stated specifically over and over and over and over and over again that specifically FFA is what is specifically not going to happen.

Some people keep harping on this like they have cottonballs dipped in wax lodged in their ears. Keep plugging your ears and saying "LALALALALALA." Ostrich head in the sand much Karsten? It's not groundhogs day bro, go back in your hole.

As long as people keep harping on a theoretical "way it should be" and don't look at the reality of the situation at hand, other people who do look at and work with reality will make all the decisions. If IB doesn't come to the bargaining table with something realistic that is within the boundries of the stated realm of possibility, someone else will, and they will get their way in the face of a lack of constructive ideas from us.

Like I said, I totally agree with you - theoretically.
Just like I agree with an anarchistic system of government - theoretically.
I just wish you would deal with reality.

[Gildiss Gram]

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