Why is Rog hide same as invis/ivu?

[4WOFURY]

Originally Posted by capco [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It is embarrassing how many times I've had to say this at higher levels.

Some people know enough about mob pathing/LOS to get around it, but I do not have that kind of experience.

I have gotten decent at being able to make my way around Sebilis through patience, strafing, and positioning, but it shouldn't be like this.

[drktmplr12]

if you guys want to get this resolved, direct all discussion to the thread in the bug forums.

[Supaskillz]

Originally Posted by 4WOFURY [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Right now, it's better to be a monk. You can get invis/ivu which is just as good if not better than hide/sneak in most scenarios, plus you can FD when something does see through it. DPS is fairly comparable. The only advantage a Rogue has right now is you can practically just ask for your epic.

What I don't understand, is that when I started on p99 in 2012, hide/sneak was working as it should, and as it did in classic. It was this patch that mega-nerfed it, without any sort of reason.

Sunday, July 14th, 2013

It was working too well. Rogue hide could not be seen anywhere in seb for example which is not classic. I think this may be closer to classic than it was. I am sure people other than myself( a rogue) did necro corpse summons at some point on live in seb.

[Shamalam]

Originally Posted by Supaskillz [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It was working too well. Rogue hide could not be seen anywhere in seb for example which is not classic. I think this may be closer to classic than it was. I am sure people other than myself( a rogue) did necro corpse summons at some point on live in seb.

That's all well and good, but it is happening in classic zones, too. According to this post, NOTHING in SolA should see through hide, but people in this very thread are saying that isn't the case. Being from Kunark, I wouldn't be surprised if Seb was a little different, but at the very least we have solid evidence that it isn't working correctly in some classic zones.

[4WOFURY]

This is definitely far off from classic. If there were see-hide mobs in seb, those specific mobs should have been coded specifically. Not a global nerf on hide so that it is a useless skill.

Originally Posted by Supaskillz [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It was working too well.

Donal's BP is working too well. It isn't nerfed yet, because it wouldn't be classic to do so.

The post from thesafehouse.org was created March/2000, which is post kunark, during Velious. It doesn't mention anything of any see-hide mobs in seb.

I'm not arguing that nothing in seb should see invis. I would bet it is notated on eq.allakhazam.com which mobs see invis, and which see through hide.

I would expect that trakanon sees through hide, lol

[Tulnavara]

The wizards in Seb saw through hide in Velious era on live. More than once walking to crypt/disco I would get caught by a random see hide mob and have to book it to the ZL. If you had speed you could generally sneak past them without aggroing since sneak definitely DID lower their aggro radius but if you caught too close and timing was bad they'd get you.