Proof Jesus Christ is Lord and real

[Tradesonred]

You had to know how this thread was gonna end up right

[Auvdar]

Good troll is good.. I think.

Personally, I'm fascinated with "spiritual visions" and "out of body experiences". Both are now being shown to be manipulations of the brain and scientists are able to recreate them.

The bible is just an old, big book of morals (of the time atleast). Nothing more.

[Sidelle]

In my opinion it seems pretty arrogant to go around telling people they're going to hell if they don't follow Jesus. There are many paths to God. I'd rather find my own way than have someone shove their way down my throat. As for the clergyman and other religious leader types: thanks, but no thanks. I don't need a middleman coming between me and my god. Mind your own business! Especially them Catholic priests. They just wanna hear all the juicy details about all the sinning you do.

(By the way, this is a general post and not directed at any one person.)

[myriverse]

Originally Posted by Sidelle [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

In my opinion it seems pretty arrogant to go around telling people they're going to hell if they don't follow Jesus. There are many paths to God. I'd rather find my own way than have someone shove their way down my throat. As for the clergyman and other religious leader types: thanks, but no thanks. I don't need a middleman coming between me and my god. Mind your own business! Especially them Catholic priests. They just wanna hear all the juicy details about all the sinning you do.

(By the way, this is a general post and not directed at any one person.)

The problem is that the Christian manual is quite explicit that not following Jesus leads to hell ("if you're not with me..."), and there are not many paths to God ("narrow is the way..."). Like it or not, arrogance is part of the system, unless you want to twist it, but then it's quite explicit about "twisting it," as well. Except, of course, everybody twists it, and I do mean everybody.

[Sidelle]

Originally Posted by myriverse [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The problem is that the Christian manual is quite explicit that not following Jesus leads to hell ("if you're not with me..."), and there are not many paths to God ("narrow is the way..."). Like it or not, arrogance is part of the system, unless you want to twist it, but then it's quite explicit about "twisting it," as well. Except, of course, everybody twists it, and I do mean everybody.

I'm guessing by Christian manual you're referring to the bible. No offense, but who actually wrote that? A bunch of misogynistic old farts. And which version do you adhere to? There is more than one version, right? That must be confusing.

And whoever wrote it got to pick and choose which gospels to include/exclude. Yep, seems legit to me.

If Jesus really is the son of god I imagine he would be upset about all the terrible things that have been done in his name. For example, burning people at the stake. Or conquering other peoples and forcing them to either convert or die. What's that about? Doesn't seem like the kind of behavior Jesus would approve of.

[dreama1]

Originally Posted by Sidelle [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

In my opinion it seems pretty arrogant to go around telling people they're going to hell if they don't follow Jesus. There are many paths to God. I'd rather find my own way than have someone shove their way down my throat. As for the clergyman and other religious leader types: thanks, but no thanks. I don't need a middleman coming between me and my god. Mind your own business! Especially them Catholic priests. They just wanna hear all the juicy details about all the sinning you do.

(By the way, this is a general post and not directed at any one person.)

I don't understand this.

If there were no religions you wouldn't believe in god, yet you think religion is bullshit but you still believe in it (god)? We were all born atheists..

[Tradesonred]

Originally Posted by dreama1 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I don't understand this.

If there were no religions you wouldn't believe in god, yet you think religion is bullshit but you still believe in it (god)? We were all born atheists..

If i need to give a serious opinion on this, beleif in god and rejection of religions arent a contradiction to me. Although you have to define what kind of god you beleive in.

Someone had to be the first to think there was a god, that came before religions, its a logical inevitability.

Im an agnostic. You cant really know how the universe came into being, not for a long time probably. So im fine with who knows. I draw the line at religions because i think much of them are created by persons who use the fear of death in humans to manipulate them to do things that they want them to do.

At least thats how they are used mainly nowadays, especially in the united states. Maybe some of the original writers of the bible were sincere, but theyre long gone.

Theres a great lecture series on how religions are now male dominated and before were female dominated called "The terror of history" by Teofilo Ruiz

Look it up, all sorts of great insights on how religion is a tool used by males to keep females down.

Personally i beleive there are probably gods out there. Not god, but gods. Creatures out there in space that are to us what we are to ants. But i probably wont ever meet those creatures or any other weird space creatures before im dead.

And that sucks.

[dreama1]

I don't believe in any supernatural being without proof. If there were objective evidence (not subjective personal hallucination shit), I would change my mind until then I don't see any good reason to do so.

[Sidelle]

Originally Posted by dreama1 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I don't understand this.

If there were no religions you wouldn't believe in god, yet you think religion is bullshit but you still believe in it (god)? We were all born atheists..

Man-made religions are bullshit. I do believe we have souls and I believe in God, our creator. I am definitely not atheist. God as I see it is probably very different from what you believe. I guess I don't know how to explain so you can see where I'm coming from.

[Tradesonred]

Originally Posted by Sidelle [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Man-made religions are bullshit. I do believe we have souls and I believe in God, our creator. I am definitely not atheist. God as I see it is probably very different from what you believe. I guess I don't know how to explain so you can see where I'm coming from.

Do you beleive humans were created 6000 years ago or think that the fossil record must probably be right? Do you beleive that other animals have souls too? Not trying to troll, just trying to make you articulate what youre getting at.

I think the concept of soul in humans is just admiration over how amazingly complex life has come to develop on earth over the million/billion of years. To me, my personality, who i am, my memories, my emotions, is all part of my electrical brainstorm. When my brain dies, thats dead too.