What is BDA doing to work towards a raid agreement?

[arsenalpow]

Originally Posted by Handull [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

as for repops, I think the best way to do things is to force the 'tier 1' guilds to clear VP before they can leave. they will all be racing for PD first, almost hands down, but forcing them to clear all 6 vp dragons before leaving will give the general server plenty of time to get to work on the rest of the mobs. if you really want to add a kill limit to that as well, I would suggest making it an "outside vp" kill limit. last repop everything was dead in about 2 hours, with maybe vox taking a little over 2 hours to kill. if you say 2-3 mob limit outside VP and put in a place nice policy (to be explained), then the VP guilds can pick up the loose trash, but won't get any of the main targets. place nice policy should be if another guild is in zone with a force, let them go first. IE TMO leaves VP once all 6 are dead and rushes out of VP into Sky through PD's room. They see Taken has 25 in zone and Dojo is still up, they give Taken first engage on Dojo, since Taken was there first, unless of course Taken had just wiped and is CRing. (speaking of which, Dojo is often missing from these raid agreements). Sure, it can happen where its not clear who was there first, and maybe then you race for fte, but gm's can enforce any guild being a dick, and they have now proven their desire to step in. to say the GM's haven't done anything in the past is a valid point, but now they have stopped all raiding, the times they are a-changin'. (this is just one idea)

fanfuckingtastic idea

[Autotune]

Originally Posted by Handull [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

as for repops, I think the best way to do things is to force the 'tier 1' guilds to clear VP before they can leave. they will all be racing for PD first, almost hands down, but forcing them to clear all 6 vp dragons before leaving will give the general server plenty of time to get to work on the rest of the mobs. if you really want to add a kill limit to that as well, I would suggest making it an "outside vp" kill limit. last repop everything was dead in about 2 hours, with maybe vox taking a little over 2 hours to kill. if you say 2-3 mob limit outside VP and put in a place nice policy (to be explained), then the VP guilds can pick up the loose trash, but won't get any of the main targets. place nice policy should be if another guild is in zone with a force, let them go first. IE TMO leaves VP once all 6 are dead and rushes out of VP into Sky through PD's room. They see Taken has 25 in zone and Dojo is still up, they give Taken first engage on Dojo, since Taken was there first, unless of course Taken had just wiped and is CRing. (speaking of which, Dojo is often missing from these raid agreements). Sure, it can happen where its not clear who was there first, and maybe then you race for fte, but gm's can enforce any guild being a dick, and they have now proven their desire to step in. to say the GM's haven't done anything in the past is a valid point, but now they have stopped all raiding, the times they are a-changin'. (this is just one idea)

I don't think that's going to fly. I think an overall baglimit and letting every guild go for whatever is the only way it's going to work.

I personally would love to see guilds(other than tmo/fe/ib) going into VP to kill targets on repop days without having to deal with TMO/FE/IB breathing down their necks and at the same time not having to worry about getting promoted out of their bracket.

TL;DR, I don't think T1 guilds should be forced to kill VP and I don't think T2 guilds should be punished for attempting VP (on repops at least).

[Handull]

Originally Posted by Autotune [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I don't think that's going to fly. I think an overall baglimit and letting every guild go for whatever is the only way it's going to work.

I personally would love to see guilds(other than tmo/fe/ib) going into VP to kill targets on repop days without having to deal with TMO/FE/IB breathing down their necks and at the same time not having to worry about getting promoted out of their bracket.

TL;DR, I don't think T1 guilds should be forced to kill VP and I don't think T2 guilds should be punished for attempting VP (on repops at least).

yeah, its a tough matter of opinion. i think that right now only bda is capable of going into vp, and chest has said they'd just as well stay out of vp.

if you are going to put a mob limit and time lock out, i think you need to add in that its not a 2hour from repop lockout, but a 2hour from last kill lockout. otherwise if 2 vp mobs are left up, tmo/fe will have a field day with who gets first engage. but if we know that tmo killed two vp dragons b4 fe did, then they get first shot by default. i just really want to avoid any situation where a mob is 95% of the time going to be up and FTE will be open at a set time, which is likely for vp mobs.

on a repop PD will be the hardcores first choice, if it wasn't, hardcores would jump guilds imo. finishing vp after pd makes sense to me from the standpoint of a raider who hasn't cleared VP ad nausium. I can see where tmo might not like this idea, for understandable reasons.

[Autotune]

Originally Posted by Handull [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

yeah, its a tough matter of opinion. i think that right now only bda is capable of going into vp, and chest has said they'd just as well stay out of vp.

if you are going to put a mob limit and time lock out, i think you need to add in that its not a 2hour from repop lockout, but a 2hour from last kill lockout. otherwise if 2 vp mobs are left up, tmo/fe will have a field day with who gets first engage. but if we know that tmo killed two vp dragons b4 fe did, then they get first shot by default. i just really want to avoid any situation where a mob is 95% of the time going to be up and FTE will be open at a set time, which is likely for vp mobs.

on a repop PD will be the hardcores first choice, if it wasn't, hardcores would jump guilds imo. finishing vp after pd makes sense to me from the standpoint of a raider who hasn't cleared VP ad nausium. I can see where tmo might not like this idea, for understandable reasons.

Imagine it like this. You have BDA who has keys, FE/TMO/IB all bag'd out and mobs still in vp.

BDA hosts a VP on a repop day and allows other t2 guilds to bring their VP keyed characters to experience VP and BDA uses their baglimit in VP.

I think it's incredibly reasonable.

Chest, his guild, and T2 guys from other guilds get to experience VP without TMO/FE/IB in the mix and without punishment of "advancing to a toxic bracket". I think Chest would like that, as well as the other T2 guys.

[Handull]

Originally Posted by Autotune [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Imagine it like this. You have BDA who has keys, FE/TMO/IB all bag'd out and mobs still in vp.

BDA hosts a VP on a repop day and allows other t2 guilds to bring their VP keyed characters to experience VP and BDA uses their baglimit in VP.

I think it's incredibly reasonable.

Chest, his guild, and T2 guys from other guilds get to experience VP without TMO/FE/IB in the mix and without punishment of "advancing to a toxic bracket". I think Chest would like that, as well as the other T2 guys.

same scenario, remove the "moving tiers" thing for repops, and bda+randoms can go for VP ez mobs (SW is best bet) while tmo/fe race for PD. We'll want to get to PD asap, and if gms are serious about no training, should be a "non toxic" environment

[Handull]

as for moving between tiers, I think with stealin's system and guild can voluntarily move tiers, provided they aren't active in VP, as long as they are forced to wait 1 month to switch from their declaration of wanting to switch, to prevent tier hopping.

[Autotune]

Originally Posted by Handull [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

as for moving between tiers, I think with stealin's system and guild can voluntarily move tiers, provided they aren't active in VP, as long as they are forced to wait 1 month to switch from their declaration of wanting to switch, to prevent tier hopping.

This is what you have

T1 - 50/50 of all raid targets outside VP, excluding Inny/CT/VS/Trak which is 1/3
T2 - 50/50 of all raid targets outside VP, excluding Inny/CT/VS/Trak which is 1/3

VP is FFA as well as 1/3 of the Inny/CT/VS/Trak spawns.


T1 is more "competitive" and stands to gain the FFA targets more (they put their money where their mouth is)
T2 is more leaning towards a rotation and don't stand to gain as much among each other.

The top tier mobs that FE/TMO/IB want Inny/CT/VS/Trak (which has been the reason every proposal has failed almost) basically have their rule set applied twice (unless they decide to change their FFA mentality)

FE/TMO/IB would be retarded to not take this proposal, unless they are afraid to lose the FFA rounds.

[Handull]

Originally Posted by Autotune [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This is what you have

T1 - 50/50 of all raid targets outside VP, excluding Inny/CT/VS/Trak which is 1/3
T2 - 50/50 of all raid targets outside VP, excluding Inny/CT/VS/Trak which is 1/3

VP is FFA as well as 1/3 of the Inny/CT/VS/Trak spawns.


T1 is more "competitive" and stands to gain the FFA targets more (they put their money where their mouth is)
T2 is more leaning towards a rotation and don't stand to gain as much among each other.

The top tier mobs that FE/TMO/IB want Inny/CT/VS/Trak (which has been the reason every proposal has failed almost) basically have their rule set applied twice (unless they decide to change their FFA mentality)

FE/TMO/IB would be retarded to not take this proposal, unless they are afraid to lose the FFA rounds.

your proposal sounds good to me, but i'm not an officer, and i'm also pretty flexible at this point cause i just want to have fun and not bicker on the forums.

[Thulack]

Originally Posted by Handull [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

your proposal sounds good to me, but i'm not an officer, and i'm also pretty flexible at this point cause i just want to have fun and not bicker on the forums.

Monopolizing content is fun to you? Should go play Monopoly then.

[Handull]

and if epics are their concern, they'll all be going for non-vp targets anyway.