A Plea for Sanity

[Koota]

Originally Posted by Stasis01 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This is the server trying to fight for a few rights from the fully geared VP crew, to allow for guilds to play and have fun and possibly some day contest without the ultra hardcore crowd (50-60 hrs a week, Tune probably is closer to 80-100) shitting all over them.

This is not one upping, this is trying to make this place playable, and they are fighting to be able to do what they want and keep it low populated to suit their own personal interests.

This is definitely one upping. There may be some times where people want to voice against the zerg majority of Nilly or whatever the fuck they are called. But at the end of the day, every 10 minutes, it's subtle jabs in OOC and in the forums. It's blatant jabs followed that. And it's a forum thread like this that is asking for some retribution or people coming together and acting like adults, and it spins out in to some bullshit situation about the PnP/LNS rules over one or a couple fucking instances.

Everyone participating in this shit should be embarrassed. For real.

[Stasis01]

I assure you it isn't one upping, this is essentially a civil war for the future of Red99.

[Technique]

Originally Posted by Kergan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Can we try to put an end to the lawyering, forumquesting and venom in ooc?

From the looks of this thread, everyone is putting aside their differences in order to take a unified shit on your request.

[Bhubbles]

Originally Posted by Elderan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I would like some adjustments as well.

However we need some clarifications first. To my knowledge if you LNS from a zone and that person/guild who made you LNS is no longer in that zone then LNS time limit is invalid.

Elderan, I like you bud but come on with this eye for an eye thing! Nizz killed me earlier naked in rivervale on my warrior - you think I would do the same to Nihilum? Nope not my style, I would sow/port the person and wish him well.

There are people who don't care on both sides and enjoy the grief, if you really want change don't stoop to their level.

It's so simple but the special eds make this tough, if you pvp and lose loot & leave the zone. If you win, don't be an ahole and hell maybe even help the poor bastard out.

Easy stuff guys!

[Kergan]

Originally Posted by Technique [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

From the looks of this thread, everyone is putting aside their differences in order to take a unified shit on your request.

Hey at least they are together on something. If I could have one thing on these forums it would be the ability to lock a user from posting in a thread I created. The second I saw Stasis was the first one to respond I knew this thread was fucked. The guy is literally incapable of not bringing his own agenda into every thread.

The most important sentence in my post was this:
"Come in with open minds, forgive the past and plan the future of this server. "

And the first fucking post is someone going "someone did blah blah blah to me this one time". And this same person claims repeatedly to want whats best for R99. Does that include shitting up every constructive thread created here? Please do us all a favor and STOP IT for christ sake. Your post was a direct attack on Nihilum and it immediately put Nizzar on the defensive. Maybe enough of this garbage from you and the GMs will wise up and revoke your ability to post here so rest of us have a snowballs chance in hell of talking through this like rational adults.

[Slathar]

Originally Posted by Kergan [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

To my fellow R99ers,

I am writing this in the hope that we can have a civil and rational discussion on what is happening on the server we've also chosen to devote hours of our free time on. This will not be a short post, but my hope is that if you care about the future of R99 that you'll spend a few minutes of your day to hear me out.

There is a lot of animosity between the two main guilds of R99 right now, Red Dawn and Nihilum. As many of you know I am currently a tagged applicant to Nihilum but it is the honest truth I am doing everything I can to see both sides of this. I am speaking not as a member or representative of Nihilum but as a member of the R99 community.

Let me start by saying what I believe to be true about the institution of the PVP PNP on R99: the staff is concerned about the long term viability of this server. It is not an easy
task to recruit a player base to an emu server for a 12 year old game, and even a more dire one to recruit them to a red server. Losing players for any reason is a very legitimate concern. It is also my belief that they feel the stranglehold Nihilum has had on R99 is a barrier for the sustainability of a long term healthy population. I also do not believe that the timing of the introduction of the PNP was coincidence, relative to the recent CC'ing episodes on Red Dawn (which were allowed by rule at the time).

But most importantly, I believe that no matter what rules are put in place and how they are enforced, none of it will mean a thing if the top guilds are not going to treat each other with basic respect and decency. If the conditions of victory in this battle are going to be massive account banning and players quitting in frustration it is not a victory for the server.

I believe there have been mistakes and errors on both sides. Nihilum feels like they are being treated unfairly by staff and being made an example of. Red Dawn feels like Nihilum is not treating them with respect and relishes the opportunity to make their life hell. In a lot of ways, I think, both sides have a fair argument.

What I see right now is a group on one side trying to get away with whatever they can to keep down their opponent, and people on the other side trying to do whatever they can to rise up. Unfortunately, we are not staying within the confines and means of the game mechanics. People are losing hundreds of hours of work on characters to bans and suspensions on BOTH sides. People are more concerned with getting fraps going in preparation for PVP then making sure they have buffs up.

What I am asking for is civil discourse between the leadership of Azrael, Red Dawn and Nihilum. We're sitting on a time bomb that has been ticking for years. People have battled each other for so long they are very much struggling to get past it. It will not be easy but I think if you guys could get together for an hour privately and come up with a means in which we can treat each other as human beings with huge amounts of time invested in our characters it would be beneficial to everyone. Come in with open minds, forgive the past and plan the future of this server. We can have some truly epic and great battles, especially with new content and a lot of returning players just around the corner with Velious.

Nizzar, Heartbrand, Lite...how 'bout it? Can we try to put an end to the lawyering, forumquesting and venom in ooc?

How about playing by the GM rules instead of being pieces of shit?

[Bazia]

Stopped reading when he said he was a tagged Nihilum applicant

Also explains the million anti-variance posts he made that started with "I'm not in Nihilum but I think variance is bad". AKA "I plan on joining next week"

lol

[Kergan]

I'm going to make one last attempt at forcibly pushing this train back onto the tracks.

This is my opinion on how we can make some constructive changes by the player base to make things better for everyone.

1. All parties agree to stop the quest to get peoples accounts banned. This includes massive petitioning every offense and flooding the staff with videos, screenshots, logs, etc of everything. Petitioning to the staff will be reserved for people abusing bugs to gain an advantage or very egregious violations, such as bind camping/corpse camping for a sustained period. Disciplinary action will be handled within the guild for minor infractions by mutually agreed terms. Be it docked DKP, suspending people from raids, public shaming, whatever.
2. The constant lawyering to find gray areas and ways to kill people when they are obviously CRing after a lost battle will cease. Things like "we killed him in seb but he is in TT right now on the way to CR so technically will can kill him since he doesn't have LNS rights in this zone". On the flip side, people will absolutely not do anything to fuck with the winning party/parties while on CR. This includes intentionally trying to get hit, rez boxing, opening trades, taunting, etc. You will make every effort to recover your corpse as quickly as possible and leave - not "as quickly as I have to".
3. All parties will agree to allow the losing guild of a PVP encounter to a GUILD CR. That includes dragging, rezzing, corpse summoning by people NOT ORIGINALLY INVOLVED in the encounter if necessary, if properly communicated and understood before said CR takes place.
4. All parties agree that if violations take place, such as an undeclared CR person entering the zone, a naked/CRing/LNS protected player engaging in PVP then said player forfeits LNS rights by default for the remainder of the LNS period. However, this should be communicated to the leadership of the opposition BEFORE action is taken whenever it is possible.
5. Leadership of major guilds will negotiate terms of defeat in a mass PVP battle. This is easier said than done, I know...but once a victor is declared it is OVER. No more PVP in that zone, CRs take place if needed and the zone is locked for entry for one hour.

Now can we please debate what I just said and not who has a bigger e-dick or who has been shit on more by the other? I've been here since October and frankly I don't give a fuck what happened 16 months ago. What matters is now and going forward.

Humbly yours,

Kergan, concerned R99 citizen

[Kergan]

Originally Posted by Bazia [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Stopped reading when he said he was a tagged Nihilum applicant

Also explains the million anti-variance posts he made that started with "I'm not in Nihilum but I think variance is bad". AKA "I plan on joining next week"

lol

Believe it or not, some of us have the mental ability to separate what we think is best for everyone and what we think is best for us personally. They don't have to be mutually exclusive.

[Stasis01]

Nihilum seek out levelling guilds and corpse camp them essentially till they quit the box like was done with Heresy. Why would they work out terms now of all times?

This is forcing Nihi to clean up their act and they hate it, it works just fine.