The Deru' Plan C discussion

[Prismaticshop]

Andro, you make no sense at all.

[Gwence]

Originally Posted by Xadion [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

reading the responses from most of the 'B' guilds it seems clear they have no desire to compete, push forward, strive to be better and advance. They just want mobs handed to them, they will only think of their handed mobs, no thought of working and striving forward and upward... Nope just gimmy my rotation mobs k thanks drive through

they only look at their given on a plate number of mobs, not 'oh if we use the advantages worked in the system we can advance and grow our guild!'

their reason why all this 'CHANGE' needed to happen is because they can't compete or do anything they need help! They get offered help, and they say the truth...not help, handouts are wanted...and now seemingly demanded.

its kind of sad...

The only thing that is sad is this post. I think it's time to go get a life.

[Fael]

When did "working with smaller guilds to let them have a chance at mobs you don't absolutely need for gearing main characters" turn into a complete and complicated revision of the EQ classic raiding... to the point of giving "smaller guilds" not "a chance" but carte blanch authority to take 50% of the raid targets?

Seriously. FE/TMO's original proposal did just that. Albiet it left off some key epic mobs that smaller guilds should "have a chance" to get. To some degree Proposition C does just that,but perhaps it gives up too much in the other areas.

Dolic

[Splorf22]

Originally Posted by Fael [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

When did "working with smaller guilds to let them have a chance at mobs you don't absolutely need for gearing main characters turn into a complete and complicated revision of the EQ classic raiding to the point of giving "smaller guilds" not "a chance" but carte blanch to 50% of the raid targets?

Question: what mobs do you absolutely need for your main?

[Tegellan]

Originally Posted by Splorf22 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Question: what mobs do you absolutely need for your main?

Due to the the fact that we are at a stale state with how long Kunark has been out.. recruitment is a never ending battle to keep going.. This means there is always ungeared players even in TMO.. Every raid mob drops SOMETHING.. that is an upgrade to someone in every guild.

That said.. Does someone really need to kill Talendar for a haste items when eventually they will get a sky haste belt. The answer is no.. but that can also be said for any guild that raids in sky at all.

[cyryllis]

i still need a treasure hunters satchel on my main, never win that roll.

Yes, need, because I have super low strength and tink bags are heavy.

[W8Gamer]

Originally Posted by Splorf22 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Question: what mobs do you absolutely need for your main?

First off, let me start by saying NO ONE NEEDS anything on this game. We all WANT something for our mains, but nothing is as imperative as NEEDING it. With that said, let's see what all I want for my main:

Trakanon: Manna Robe (Rarely drops)
VS: Ancient Shissar Guantlets (NEVER FUCKING DROPS)
CT: Darkwood trunk, AoN (AoN NEVER FUCKING DROPS)
Inny: Necromancer book (Rarely drops)
Vox/Naggy and any other outdoor dragon: Kavruul's Mystical Pouch (I never win [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] )

Now that's me and I've been in TMO since August. Now, there were at least 2 other people that joined when I joined and since then there have been at the least 10 more that have joined. So, if I need shit, I can almost guarantee they do as well, but please, continue to tell us how our mains don't need anything else from these raids mobs and the only reason we are raiding is to gear our alts up and bully everyone else from getting gear.

[radditsu]

Originally Posted by W8Gamer [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

First off, let me start by saying NO ONE NEEDS anything on this game. We all WANT something for our mains, but nothing is as imperative as NEEDING it. With that said, let's see what all I want for my main:

Trakanon: Manna Robe (Rarely drops)
VS: Ancient Shissar Guantlets (NEVER FUCKING DROPS)
CT: Darkwood trunk, AoN (AoN NEVER FUCKING DROPS)
Inny: Necromancer book (Rarely drops)
Vox/Naggy and any other outdoor dragon: Kavruul's Mystical Pouch (I never win [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.] )

Now that's me and I've been in TMO since August. Now, there were at least 2 other people that joined when I joined and since then there have been at the least 10 more that have joined. So, if I need shit, I can almost guarantee they do as well, but please, continue to tell us how our mains don't need anything else from these raids mobs and the only reason we are raiding is to gear our alts up and bully everyone else from getting gear.

Poor guy.

How about everyone in most guilds that got nada, zip, zero, zilch, since august.

[Xadion]

Andro makes more sense than half you all and that's with out translation.

Gwence, heh. We got all sorts of people coming out of the wood work tonight.

I fully understand there are a wide array of play styles, and mine is anything but hard core..look at my raid history on TMOs DKP and compare it to the whole.

I won't divulge into much as people did not even start replies with logic, but just attacks and personal statements, so very 'internet-y' indeed.

It shows why the 'work for welfare' laws never stood a chance, *most* and *the most vocal* people that use it do not want to be better, they just want what 'They are entitled' to under their messed up ideas of self entitlement. Are those that legit need help- yes... But they are the ones working to move upward.

Personally I am disappointed in some members of Azure Guard and their lack of gusto... Coming from Veeshan on live, and knowing their origins there... I thought that maybe their drive was here also. I was in Primus Exodus and fought and worked along that tier of guilds on Veeshan and lived with the likes of FoH , CD, PD, CoE etc. I hoped AG would use whatever strategy and compromise that arises to rally and step it up. I would love to see AG become a prominent P99 guild. Veeshan forever.

[Arteker]

Originally Posted by Xadion [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Andro makes more sense than half you all and that's with out translation.

Gwence, heh. We got all sorts of people coming out of the wood work tonight.

I fully understand there are a wide array of play styles, and mine is anything but hard core..look at my raid history on TMOs DKP and compare it to the whole.

I won't divulge into much as people did not even start replies with logic, but just attacks and personal statements, so very 'internet-y' indeed.

It shows why the 'work for welfare' laws never stood a chance, *most* and *the most vocal* people that use it do not want to be better, they just want what 'They are entitled' to under their messed up ideas of self entitlement. Are those that legit need help- yes... But they are the ones working to move upward.

Personally I am disappointed in some members of Azure Guard and their lack of gusto... Coming from Veeshan on live, and knowing their origins there... I thought that maybe their drive was here also. I was in Primus Exodus and fought and worked along that tier of guilds on Veeshan and lived with the likes of FoH , CD, PD, CoE etc. I hoped AG would use whatever strategy and compromise that arises to rally and step it up. I would love to see AG become a prominent P99 guild. Veeshan forever.

Thanks for the support but remember this psycho left his arse to pin furor and won .

Never forget TR > Foh
Fck that paladin hater