Bandwagon Proposal Thread.

[Alarti0001]

Originally Posted by Aaron [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

BDA should be Tier A

Build your guild and you will be able to take on BDA with ease in tier B.

Or if you guys want you can make a rotation on tier b's half of the mobs, the onus would be on you guys.

[Fuddwin]

Originally Posted by uygi [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Casual guilds need to learn to cooperate too, instead of just sitting there waiting for something free.

FTFY

[Sinestria]

This is a pretty good proposal surprisingly. I think that something more needs to be done with VS though, he is not a gatekeeper to VP and should not be treated as such

[uygi]

I also disagree that killing a VP dragon should be an automatic 30 day bump up. How about only if they kill 2 VP dragons in any 30 days? I don't want there to be a "penalty" for them making an attempt in there. I think IB/TMO/FE having a little outside competition is healthy, imagine we both rush engages or get cross aggro and all end up dead, I'd like to see BDA chastise us by taking a kill.

[Razdeline]

Originally Posted by Alarti0001 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Simple Fair Solution

Tier A Guilds: FE/IB, TMO
Tier B Guilds: All the rest of youzes


1/2 of Inny/Fay/Sev/Gore/Tal/Naggy/Vox are open for Tier B guilds to kill as they see fit. Make a rotation, compete. Your choice!
1/2 of Draco's/Maestro's are open for Tier B guilds.

Tier B guilds may choose to compete on the other 1/2 of these mobs as they want without punishment.

Tier B guilds may compete in VP and at Trak/VS/CT as they want without punishment.

Tier B guilds will become Tier A guilds for a period of 30 days if they meet any of the following conditions. Kill a VP dragon, Kill 3 Trakanon's in a 30 day period, Kill 2 Venril Sathir's in a 30 day period, Kill 2 CT's in a 30 day period.

No Poopsocking(Logged in at or near a spawn) Tracking obviously permitted.
No DA engages(this can be a flat out policy or a time limit(36 seconds))



This gives out roughly 22 raid mobs to the server per month(not competed on by FE/IB or TMO)
The rest of the mobs are competitive.

This allows "casual scum" to have lots of raid encounters, but it also allows the best raids to be competitive. This is a happy balance between full competition and rotations.

Review, and when you do explain your position, what you would like to change, and the reasoning behind your dissent.

Yes, a timelimit can be discussed, this also helps mobs spawn faster. If "B" guild doesn't kill Trak in a few days, its advantageous for EVERYONE if the mob is killed in a relative amount of time from it's spawn time. Mobs dying quicker: Quicker respawns.

[YendorLootmonkey]

I like that DA stalling is no longer a valid tactic (does having a character eat a Trak Touch with DA count as a "stall"... don't care either way, but lets address that up front.)

Still not sure the "no poopsocking" doesn't cater to guilds with alt armies, someone would have to convince me and others this isn't just "something that looks like a bone is being thrown but is really just playing to a certain guild's advantage."

Does this involve the guild council premise like the original TMO/FE proposal? If so, what guilds sit on it, how will the votes be structured, how does a guild establish representation to it, and what are the "sanctions" mentioned that guilds would be enacting on each other?

How does this scale to Velious so we're not right back at square one a few months from now? Note, I feel it would be fair for Velious to be a FFA for X months, but I am sure casuals don't want to wait for another Rogean-style intervention before they get some sort of fair access to Velious content after a certain period of time. I guess this part isn't as urgent and could maybe be tasked to the guild council prior to Velious release.

[Autotune]

Originally Posted by YendorLootmonkey [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I like that DA stalling is no longer a valid tactic (does having a character eat a Trak Touch with DA count as a "stall"... don't care either way, but lets address that up front.)

Still not sure the "no poopsocking" doesn't cater to guilds with alt armies, someone would have to convince me and others this isn't just "something that looks like a bone is being thrown but is really just playing to a certain guild's advantage."

Does this involve the guild council premise like the original TMO/FE proposal? If so, what guilds sit on it, how will the votes be structured, how does a guild establish representation to it, and what are the "sanctions" mentioned that guilds would be enacting on each other?

How does this scale to Velious so we're not right back at square one a few months from now? Note, I feel it would be fair for Velious to be a FFA for X months, but I am sure casuals don't want to wait for another Rogean-style intervention before they get some sort of fair access to Velious content after a certain period of time. I guess this part isn't as urgent and could maybe be tasked to the guild council prior to Velious release.

I'm sorry, poopsocking and alt armies are both bad.

Poopsocking created Huge Variance and Huge Variance created Alt Armies.

Fixing Poopsocking is a good thing.

[Alarti0001]

Originally Posted by uygi [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I also disagree that killing a VP dragon should be an automatic 30 day bump up. How about only if they kill 2 VP dragons in any 30 days? I don't want there to be a "penalty" for them making an attempt in there. I think IB/TMO/FE having a little outside competition is healthy, imagine we both rush engages or get cross aggro and all end up dead, I'd like to see BDA chastise us by taking a kill.

VP is the top end raiding environment. If you kill there you are a top end guild. Nothing to compromise in VP.

[Spitty]

Fixing poopsocking will (hopefully) lead to decreased/no variance, which will lead to more predictable mob patterns, which will lead to more mobs and increased competition for aforementioned reasons.

Ain't that a win?

[Alarti0001]

Originally Posted by YendorLootmonkey [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I like that DA stalling is no longer a valid tactic (does having a character eat a Trak Touch with DA count as a "stall"... don't care either way, but lets address that up front.)

Still not sure the "no poopsocking" doesn't cater to guilds with alt armies, someone would have to convince me and others this isn't just "something that looks like a bone is being thrown but is really just playing to a certain guild's advantage."

Does this involve the guild council premise like the original TMO/FE proposal? If so, what guilds sit on it, how will the votes be structured, how does a guild establish representation to it, and what are the "sanctions" mentioned that guilds would be enacting on each other?

How does this scale to Velious so we're not right back at square one a few months from now? Note, I feel it would be fair for Velious to be a FFA for X months, but I am sure casuals don't want to wait for another Rogean-style intervention before they get some sort of fair access to Velious content after a certain period of time. I guess this part isn't as urgent and could maybe be tasked to the guild council prior to Velious release.

No guild council other than to mediate disagreements, and prevent CSR petitions.

This proposal has nothing to do with Velious and it shouldn't. 3yo Kunark is in no way comparable to Velious.