IB takes 80% of the loot, shares 50% of the raid suspension.

[arsenalpow]

Originally Posted by sanforce [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

That's dumb chest. Recently FE has KSd 3 FTEs, stolen TMOs FTE against CT and kited it away, and then blatantly trained the entire TMO raid force on Trak ledge.

TMO deserves a week suspension for getting screwed over numerous times?

Do you really think TMO is suddenly innocent and is just being persecuted by the mean old IB/FE? TMO and FE/IB have been doing this shit to each other before they were even under those guildtags. TMO has done PLENTY to warrant suspensions (here's where alarti says "prove it") but like I said score wasn't being kept for a while.

[Heebo]

Originally Posted by Hitpoint [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yk5ovTNwyF4

Here is a video of a TMO member doing exactly the same thing, but zero punishment was handed out for this. See the Ogre shaman

lol, you guys are so dumb. I was on ipoql - I ran into the lair and dragged one of our monks to the wall INSIDE the lair. I never came back.

Notice the new FTE message before you even see Trak? Surprise, surprise, FE trained themselves and blamed TMO.

[Hitpoint]

Originally Posted by Alarti0001 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Its an idiots defense to show an accidental train, and compare it to an intentional train. Ipoql didnt even train the raid anyways, goremaw did and he tried to flop to cancel aggro as soon as he saw fte message. FD failed as he was being attacked while feign'd. That is a mistake, an accident. Rhodes was intentional training and is in now way comparable. Also, you originally said that there wasnt a punishment and now you say that there was going to be a punishment on both ends but they canceled each other out. When do you intend to start telling the truth.

Simple facts, FE/IB have been complicit in multiple acts of training(intentional and otherwise), kiting of raid mobs, KSing on FTE, and most recently stealing aggro on an FTE and kiting a mob away from raids. Not to mention Draco stalling(Which BDA basically saved you from).
TMO has not been convicted of these action with intent. FE/IB has shown a consistent pattern of bad behavior. TMO hasn't. That is why you are raid suspended, I suggest you take these 5 days and think of ways to clean up your act. You got off easy with a 5 day suspension imo, Happy Holidays.

Have mistakes happened on raids? Yep. Will mistakes continue to happen on raids? Yep.

Intentional Ksing, kiting away raid mobs and nuke aggroing to train a raid....are NOT mistakes.

Intentional train is the same accidental trains on p99. We can argue whether it was intentional or not. You'll say it isn't, I'll say it obviously was. So lets just stop right here.

I haven't called you a liar here, I don't know why you called me one. You guys should have been suspended for Trakanon regardless. But you had some old fraps of someone getting hit by a train otw to VS pit. Trains happen there every single day, we've seen it a thousand times. Our monk who was in question had that train flopped on her by an SK in your guild. The fraps was complete garbage and showed nothing. It was purely used to get TMO out of a raid suspension at Trakanon.

BDA didn't save us from anything. That bard was going to stand there and tank Draco. If he died then it would have been BDAs engage. There was never going to be any kind of kiting, he was in vent saying exactly what he was going to do before the pull even happened.

And the only reason TMO hasn't been convicted of anything is because not enough FE run fraps. You can bet that will change after this. Didn't Taken fraps you guys training at Inny not too long ago?

[Hitpoint]

Originally Posted by Heebo [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

lol, you guys are so dumb. I was on ipoql - I ran into the lair and dragged one of our monks to the wall INSIDE the lair. I never came back.

Notice the new FTE message before you even see Trak? Surprise, surprise, FE trained themselves and blamed TMO.

Right because Goremaw is in FE... Did you even watch the video?

[Alarti0001]

Originally Posted by Heebo [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

lol, you guys are so dumb. I was on ipoql - I ran into the lair and dragged one of our monks to the wall INSIDE the lair. I never came back.

Notice the new FTE message before you even see Trak? Surprise, surprise, FE trained themselves and blamed TMO.

Wait now... what guild is goremaw in?

[Hitpoint]

Originally Posted by Alarti0001 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

More simple facts. IF BDA did NOT engage Draco...that bard would have died or kited. We will never know what you would have done because BDA jumped the gun.

Well he never would have died because we had a druid with a fucking soulfire on him ready to heal. And a monk was zoning in. Draco is a level 55 mob who hits for 250. There was zero chance of the bard dying.

[sanforce]

Originally Posted by arsenalpow [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Do you really think TMO is suddenly innocent and is just being persecuted by the mean old IB/FE? TMO and FE/IB have been doing this shit to each other before they were even under those guildtags. TMO has done PLENTY to warrant suspensions (here's where alarti says "prove it") but like I said score wasn't being kept for a while.

Yes, TMO has done things in the past, and when the case was cut and dry, they too have received suspensions. I'm talking about the last few months, when FE/IB have raided dirty and TMO has made efforts to not get outside of the bounds of the rules. There are intentional and unintentional things that happen during raid encounters. They are suspended because of extremely blatant training (I just saw the video).

[Alarti0001]

Originally Posted by Hitpoint [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Intentional train is the same accidental trains on p99. We can argue whether it was intentional or not. You'll say it isn't, I'll say it obviously was. So lets just stop right here.

I haven't called you a liar here, I don't know why you called me one. You guys should have been suspended for Trakanon regardless. But you had some old fraps of someone getting hit by a train otw to VS pit. Trains happen there every single day, we've seen it a thousand times. Our monk who was in question had that train flopped on her by an SK in your guild. The fraps was complete garbage and showed nothing. It was purely used to get TMO out of a raid suspension at Trakanon.


And the only reason TMO hasn't been convicted of anything is because not enough FE run fraps. You can bet that will change after this. Didn't Taken fraps you guys training at Inny not too long ago?

You can in no way claim Rhodes train wasn't intentional. Do i need to link the fraps. The only reason I have't is so you can dig yourself a nice deep hole.
Also, the fraps of that SK was mobs attacking them in the pit and then proceeding to run that all the way to VS and flopping there. Then standing once the mob disperse on TMO's raid.

Why am I calling you a liar? There are only 2 options here you are either lying, or you have the IQ of a below-average slug.

TMO was removed of any fault on that Inny.

[Alarti0001]

Originally Posted by Hitpoint [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Well he never would have died because we had a druid with a fucking soulfire on him ready to heal. And a monk was zoning in. Draco is a level 55 mob who hits for 250. There was zero chance of the bard dying.

Druids get feared sometimes. I think you would have died.

[doraf]

Originally Posted by Alarti0001 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Huh? Why? When TMO gets hit for something we stress clean raiding and being careful with pulls etc. We don't stress frapserquest when we fuck up haha.

You're proof that if you reconfirm the lie enough times it becomes truth in your mind.