Am I the only one

[Skittlez]

Originally Posted by DrKvothe [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Group makeup is the deciding factor. Do we have an enchanter and a dedicated healer? I'm on every requested buff, no matter how silly, and I'm slowing every mob and rooting as necessary.

Do we not have an enchanter? That adds responsibilities to me: root parking mobs and hasting melees very frequently. I also have to do this without clarity. Under these circumstances, my mana is typically what's holding the group up, and buffs other than haste on anyone but the tank and puller are going to have to wait.

Am I the dedicated healer? If we have an enchanter, this can work fine. Everyone gets everything they want. If I don't have c2 and mobs are unusually magic resistant (wastes lots of my mana), I'm back to limited buffs.

Clicky buffs are fine, but in the types of groups where i dont have mana to cast top-notch buffs, I don't have the time to buff people with clicky buffs. Retardedly long cast times x multiple melees x multiple buffs is a lot of missed canni'ing. Even with the clickies not setting gcd.

Part of it to is that I am spec'd in conjuration while I level up. I mostly solo so, yeah

[DrKvothe]

Additionally, I didn't find it worthwhile to slow mobs until I got the lvl 39 slow (togor's). Just not worth the mana since your tank won't be taking much damage in his lvl 50+ gear and your dps will be ripping through mobs so fast.

So if you're taking that burden on yourself before 39, consider how your group members feel about it. Will they be more butthurt with fewer buffs but a bit less incoming damage, or will they even notice if you're not slowing and be extremely content with their laundry list of useless buffs. I mean, that monk needs his charisma in case a merchant wanders by, amirite?

[RiffDaemon]

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Bookmarked. Lambsie's going to get lots of attention pretty soon.

[Khaleesi]

Originally Posted by Skittlez [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

That wants to smash in the faces of people who constantly think they need buffs when they are completely unnecessary?

Like... When I am in a full group and we have a Monk, Enchanter, Mage, Warrior, Paladin, and Shaman (me), I just feel like I should only be thinking about the Monks/tanks health and keeping regen up on them and my self. Oh, and haste of course for the melee. Not a fucking +24 str buff that has no noticeable effect on their dps unless you do hours and hours of comparing and analysis.

I never mind casting Regen/Haste, those are a necessity, just not all that other shit. I mean seriously. We aren't raiding bro, in fact, we are outside and 2 zones away from the nearest dungeon where the real tough guys are at.


Now this makes me sound like I just don't like to buff, but, that's not the case. Only whenever we DON'T need buffs and people pester the fuck out of me.

If you're speaking to the point of whether other people should be involved in the micro management of the group (of which includes buffs), then that depends on the people.
My advisement to you is, be thankful of when people do care enough to discuss it, as often too many are oblivious or not concerned until it's too late.

I'd rather be questioned about what I am doing, to which I can give a fair answer and if it is determined I am doing something wrong, then we can discuss it.
Given that it's a video game, I would like to think that ego can be put aside as the objective is to be good at the game, not be good at being cool on the internet.

If it bothers you that much, then tell the person you understand they are interested, though you are confident you have it under control.

For myself I have found that usually not receiving buffs and/or not receiving the ones you request, is not down to any miscommunication or that you do not 'require' them, rather it's simply that the buffer is unaware, uninterested, doesn't care, is ignoring you(?) and/or they are ignorant and don't understand or believe it's worth their mana.

If casters run out of mana and we have to discuss as a group WHY it's happening - to then find out it was over buffing to which we can all compromise and not request as many. This is better than people not receiving buffs and then a fight starts.

[bigsykedaddy]

The way I look at it is I am max STR with a shamans STR buff. This means as a Rogue I can swap out my mithril arms / crested helmet / dwarven work boots etc for Mrylokar, because when evade fails on you back to back and that bad ass in seb spins around you are gonna want that extra AC

[Atmas]

Sounds like you are playing the wrong class. Shaman's are buff whores. I maybe could have agreed with you if it was something like casters asking for agility, but melee should definitely be getting those strength buffs. More str is a direct increase to damage and the gains are not insignificant.

At lower levels it's very normal for a shaman to buff out a group and then say lom from buffing, no one should be surprised.

Just on a side note my 59 Paly heals pretty well. Granted, I have had a DW BP on him since I could click it so I used Symbol buff as a mana free 307 hpt heal. So that has made it feasible to solo and duo a lot. But even with just weaker heal clicky and mana heals I can heal a person chain tanking mobs or toss heals when a group is in a pinch.

[August]

For me it just depends on what camp we're at and the group make up.

I was in CoM at a camp I could solo the other day but people wanted exp and CoM was full so I expanded to a full group. I had several people asking me for the full gamut of buffs for the hard camp and I just kind of laughed. I was soloing the camp before everyone arrived - why do I need to spend all my mana buffing these guys when I was full-clearing the camp by myself?

They complained and complained, so I left. No, I don't think you need dexterity. No, I don't think you need Health - especially when i'm tanking with slow.

Enchanters, if charming, get talisman, agility, and charisma
Tanks, if tanking, get str, (dex if proc wep), health, talisman, chloro
Healers get talisman, chloro
DPS get nothing but jaundiced bone clicks. Sorry dudes, you shouldn't be taking damage. You can have furious strength from my clicky, though.

[Spitty]

Originally Posted by August [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Enchanters, if charming, get talisman, agility, and charisma
Tanks, if tanking, get str, (dex if proc wep), health, talisman, chloro
Healers get talisman, chloro
DPS get nothing but jaundiced bone clicks. Sorry dudes, you shouldn't be taking damage. You can have furious strength from my clicky, though.

Wtf?

Chanters get talisman but tanks don't get agi and DPS gets budget buffs?

Your priorities need re-evaluating.

[Yumyums Inmahtumtums]

Originally Posted by Spitty [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Wtf?

Chanters get talisman but tanks don't get agi and DPS gets budget buffs?

Your priorities need re-evaluating.

This.

Stembolts diagram is simple but effective.

[Kutsumo]

On monk, if I'm pulling, I'm going to expect HP, regen, and str. On rogue, just str (and haste if no enc). Unless you really don't have enough mana to cast it, I don't think it's too much to ask and I think it's pretty dumb to get all bitchy about it. Play a different class if you don't want part of your role to include buffing.

My only disagreement with that chart is giving rogues dex. We don't use proc weapons unless we want to die and certainly don't need to make them proc more often.