Sebilis Crypt Camp

[Orruar]

Originally Posted by Teppler [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It sounds like keeping a presence right on the spawn point is the only consistent way to do this.

I don't really see what makes the Crypt different from HS North where the Crypt gets special rules. Ruling for one should be the same ruling for the other.

Personally, I'd prefer if we had a "you clear it, it's yours" rule. The "one room" rule is in fact counterproductive when it comes to encouraging grouping. When you limit the amount of mobs any group can keep as part of their camp, you only encourage smaller group sizes. If you take a full group to lguk and can clear most of dead side, you may just end up losing 2/3 of your camp to rules lawyers. So why not just solo/duo a camp instead.

They put the special crypt rule in because it exposed the complete absurdity of the "one room" rule. It was really just a bandaid.

[Teppler]

Originally Posted by Orruar [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Personally, I'd prefer if we had a "you clear it, it's yours" rule. The "one room" rule is in fact counterproductive when it comes to encouraging grouping. When you limit the amount of mobs any group can keep as part of their camp, you only encourage smaller group sizes. If you take a full group to lguk and can clear most of dead side, you may just end up losing 2/3 of your camp to rules lawyers. So why not just solo/duo a camp instead.

They put the special crypt rule in because it exposed the complete absurdity of the "one room" rule. It was really just a bandaid.

Is there a mandate to cater this game to groupers? Is there a mandate to encourage full groups rather than duos or trios? IMO a soloer or duo or trio should be looked at as having the same rights as a full group.

That being said, I prefer to respect when someone says they are holding down an area such as HS North. I'm just really confused because not to long ago a GM ruled you absolutely can lose 2/3 of your camp if you are soloing HS down and another group comes in and puts people at 2/3 of the camps you can't be at 100% of the time cause you're soloing and can only be at one spot at once. I was really annoyed at the ruling at the time but it seems to be the only consistent way to do things.... Letting CC's being a courtesy call and strickly having to be on the spawn point if someone wants to be a dick about the camps(and they have a right to be).

IDK I can go either way on this but I need to see a solid argument for holding camps without a physical presence right on those camps.

[quido]

Yes Teppler, it's an anomaly. I tried to be a jerk years ago and claim Hiero while a group was elsewhere in the crypt, per the standard rules. The higher-ups (Rogean and Uthgaard) agreed that Crypt would be treated as a single camp (and emp another camp) and that you didn't have to maintain a presence at each named spawn to claim it. However, if you left the crypt to goto emp, you possibly relinquish your rights to the crypt.

One time I was killing Hiero and Duke and the group that was at Chef (containing Calabee) wiped and asked for my help with a CR since they knew I had a rogue parked at the door. While I was still dragging their last 2 corpses, a few of them decided to be jackasses and bumrushed the crypt and claimed it (it was easier to get down there then). I logged back on my shaman, waited for them to leave to goto emp, and reclaimed Hiero and Duke. Well they came back, didn't agree with my claim, and KSed a non-cloak Hiero named from me. I petitioned, and didn't get a response, so I trained the fuck out of the group 10 minutes later. Well it turns out Ambrotos was there watching and was about the hand my two named back to me, but he decided not to because of the train lol.

[Coolname]

sounds pretty firm to me, if your not doing all 4 rooms you aren't doing crypt

[Teppler]

Make a ruling that's consistent with the Howling Stones North camp. If you're keeping the 3 named spawns down there, is a group allowed to come in and start killing named if you're not sitting right on them?

Last GM ruling said you can't claim a wing.

[Splorf22]

I don't think this is a good ruling.

First, anyone who can solo the Hierophant (probably a 60 enchanter or shaman) can kill any crypt named. Leaving them up and AFKing to do some work around the house is just a matter of convenience. So you are going to have groups coming in and trying to lawyer 'oh, so the other spawns are up' 'well I *can* kill them, I just can't be bothered' 'summoning GM' etc.

Second, the correct rule is (as Vandy stated) if a group is doing the crypt/emperor, its an asshat move to come in and take the hierophant room. If the shaman/enchanter is already killing 1-2 named, then there is no reason not to allow a group to kill the other stuff and inherit the camp after they leave.

[Nastinate]

This is crazy talk, crypt is considered 4 different camps most people just respect the fact that a group can call and handle all 4. If someones down there soloing one spawn, then that is their mob.

[Barkingturtle]

Dumb ruling.

Someone intent on camping a single mob should not be forced to clear other mobs if they don't want them. Requiring someone to kill mobs against their will is pretty much slavery.

[Ele]

Originally Posted by Barkingturtle [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Dumb ruling.

Someone intent on camping a single mob should not be forced to clear other mobs if they don't want them. Requiring someone to kill mobs against their will is pretty much slavery.

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[skipdog]

Originally Posted by Barkingturtle [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Dumb ruling.

Someone intent on camping a single mob should not be forced to clear other mobs if they don't want them. Requiring someone to kill mobs against their will is pretty much slavery.