Serious lack of tanks here

[Lagaidh]

Oh! I see... "hard"

I agree. There isn't much in classic that is hard in the sense of difficulty (just tedium). But if I am doing my job as a paladin in a group that is min-maxxing, then I'm not going to be typing social banter as I'd like =)

Last item: Paladins are viewed as group dependent only if you're thinking in terms of efficiency. I can solo a pally. My wife plays a druid and we have mostly leveled as a duo (haven't played together in forever though.) I truly do love the EQ interpretation of a paladin... so that's what I play. I don't see it in terms of black and white ability/liability.

[ncapatina]

I can definitely respect that viewpoint. It's the same reason my first alt will be a ranger despite them being debatably the worst class in a pre-luclin world. I just love the "nature warrior" type implementation rather than a tree hugging bow user they are in most games, or worse - a pet class.

I guess I've never run into that issue...if a group is a good one you're usually waiting on pulls at some point after massacring everything you can find. I can't think of too many spots where you could be a solid DPS group with good tanking/healing and pull every 10 seconds indefinitely, but I'm only into my 30s at this point and people are just better at playing video games than they were 13 years ago so maybe I'm wrong.

[Lagaidh]

Originally Posted by ncapatina [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I can definitely respect that viewpoint. It's the same reason my first alt will be a ranger despite them being debatably the worst class in a pre-luclin world. I just love the "nature warrior" type implementation rather than a tree hugging bow user they are in most games, or worse - a pet class.

I guess I've never run into that issue...if a group is a good one you're usually waiting on pulls at some point after massacring everything you can find. I can't think of too many spots where you could be a solid DPS group with good tanking/healing and pull every 10 seconds indefinitely, but I'm only into my 30s at this point and people are just better at playing video games than they were 13 years ago so maybe I'm wrong.

Now at your level, that was the sweet spot on this server for us. We had a ball in the Karanas and met up with many a stranger and laughed.

[webrunner5]

Originally Posted by ncapatina [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I guess I've never run into that issue...if a group is a good one you're usually waiting on pulls at some point after massacring everything you can find. I can't think of too many spots where you could be a solid DPS group with good tanking/healing and pull every 10 seconds indefinitely, but I'm only into my 30s at this point and people are just better at playing video games than they were 13 years ago so maybe I'm wrong.

Wait to you get to KC. If you are a puller you had better be pulling you ass off all the time or you are out. It IS non stop killing in there. CoM is no better either. It is a whole new game high level. You are lucky to have time to take a piss.

[Lagaidh]

Originally Posted by webrunner5 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Wait to you get to KC.

Dude, you knew exactly the zone that I had in mind for my opinions. Hehe. It scars a man.

[Swish]

The people moaning about the lack of tanks are probably the same people who are refusing to take a SK/paladin in that's sitting at the zoneline for over an hour LFG.

I had a troll SK to 43 here, then it got real quiet... LFG for hours, sent tells to people in COM/solb/Lower Guk etc. No dice.

The server has too many min/maxers...that's the problem with not enough tanks, and every man and his dog having a cleric main or alt. I'm part of the problem. Quit the tank and rolled a cleric to stop having so much lfg downtime. Cleric now the main.

[kaev]

Originally Posted by Swish [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The people moaning about the lack of tanks are probably the same people who are refusing to take a SK/paladin in that's sitting at the zoneline for over an hour LFG.

Aye, they're surprised that after leaving 3 tanks LFG for an extended period of time ("need DPS") now there're none available.

No groups for me ("we have a tank, need more dps")? fine I'll solo an alt. Want my alt's name? sorry nope, I'm not your servant to come running at your beck and call.

[Gadwen]

Originally Posted by Swish [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The people moaning about the lack of tanks are probably the same people who are refusing to take a SK/paladin in that's sitting at the zoneline for over an hour LFG.

I had a troll SK to 43 here, then it got real quiet... LFG for hours, sent tells to people in COM/solb/Lower Guk etc. No dice.

The server has too many min/maxers...that's the problem with not enough tanks, and every man and his dog having a cleric main or alt. I'm part of the problem. Quit the tank and rolled a cleric to stop having so much lfg downtime. Cleric now the main.

People make way too big of a deal about the exp penalty. the SK/Pally tank is going to get you more experience than sitting around without one that is for sure, not to mention that their ability to hold aggro against almost anything helps enormously in the long run with more kills, less deaths and if played well less downtime.

[Morningbreath]

Originally Posted by Swish [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The people moaning about the lack of tanks are probably the same people who are refusing to take a SK/paladin in that's sitting at the zoneline for over an hour LFG.

I had a troll SK to 43 here, then it got real quiet... LFG for hours, sent tells to people in COM/solb/Lower Guk etc. No dice.

Something the P99 devs don't seem to be accounting for is the player knowledge this time around. Players are using strats and have years of parsing to work around some of the old conventions in classic EQ that they hadn't figured out in the original Kunark timeline.

That's evident with all the monk tanking going on. I see alot more charming in groups than I ever saw on Live during this era. There were no swarm-kiting bards. Newbie rogues carrying epics. Players eventually figured out that +HP gear and high DPS could lessen or even eliminate the need for plate tanks and that understanding is in full force today on P99.

Back in the day it got to where healers wouldn't move a muscle until a plate tank showed up. You didn't monkey around with pets or DPS melee as tanks. You just sat there until a real tank got there.

The P99 devs can do whatever they want obviously but most people probably aren't aware that spider silk stacking didn't happen until after Luclin launched. And yet silk stacking is in the game right now! That's just one example of the patch timeline being "broken" by the P99 devs and it's high time they remove the hybrid exp penalty as well.

Do it already!

[DrKvothe]

Originally Posted by Morningbreath [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The P99 devs can do whatever they want obviously but most people probably aren't aware that spider silk stacking didn't happen until after Luclin launched. And yet silk stacking is in the game right now! That's just one example of the patch timeline being "broken" by the P99 devs and it's high time they remove the hybrid exp penalty as well.

Do it already!

I'm not sure you should be equating these things. Spider silk isn't classic so let's abolish hybrid penalties!

I'm also not sure that you're wrong. Exp penalty is major reason not to roll hybrid tanks.