A question to everyone not in TMO/IB.....

[Alarti0001]

Originally Posted by falkun [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Now you're getting it. The mindset needs to change or it'll just transition from one overlord to the next.

The mindset did change its called WoW, Rift, or any recent MMO.

[timhutton]

Originally Posted by Nirgon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

This is more an issue of a 4 year classic/kunark timeline and everyone having reached the level/gear requirements to attempt these encounters. Classic/Kunark was never designed to last this long.

The people with all the free time to kill these mobs would have been killing them uncontested while you guys were leveling up. Now that you've caught up, you're trying to contest them and are surprised at the result?

True, I think that is the exact same argument TR was using against having to share VP dragons with TMO when VP was released. Since there was an 8? month delay in opening VP it allowed people (TMO) time to farm up and be ready for that zone as well, whereas if the timeline were accurate TR would have cleared the zoned months before TMO even earned their first Trakanon kill.

Now it's TMO at the top, and the rest of the server ready to raid. 5 Months from now it may be somebody else. What happens a couple of years after Velious is released and the server is stagnant? More of the same?

Outlooks need to change if anything good is ever going to happen, otherwise it's just going to be a continued cycle of shit that perpetuates itself.

[timhutton]

Originally Posted by Alarti0001 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The mindset did change its called WoW, Rift, or any recent MMO.

No those games are even lazier than that. The mindset remained the same while the game itself changed to accomodate.

[Nirgon]

You use this word share when no one has any intention of doing so.

The "fair" thing to do (not fair to TMO who had worked to come up in the strug that you guys didn't have to etc, it should become obvious when you think about it) would be this:

Raid calendar made by Sirken
2 week raid suspension for any guild / group breaking rules on said calendar

Wouldn't even require much more than that.

However, for all the bitching about TMO, you all forget they had to contest with IB in somewhat their prime. IB was a VERY strong EverQuest raid guild by my standards (well they had future knowledge, who is to say if they went in with no knowledge how they'd do compared to a guild like Afterlife or FoH in the day). They put an insane amount of time lawyering on the forums, talking to GMs, dealing with corruption, exploits/bugs that don't exist now, trying to recruit against other guilds, power leveling needed classes, farming items that are easily bought cheaply now and most importantly sleepless nights getting to where they are now.

Is it "fair" to just now hand down a raid calendar after they put in all that effort? Well, probably not. If there had been a calendar to begin with, they wouldn't have had to put in all that misery to get where they are now.

So, there's your "fair" to everyone else, but I am personally of the belief you should have to go through what they did to get your mobs. That's fair. Notice I didn't put quotations around the use in that last sentence.

It's a hard struggle, its not for everyone, but I see this everywhere RL too. People work their asses off to get on top and hold their position, and people cry because they want it too but aren't going to put in the same work for it.

Not my decision but there's the facts.

[timhutton]

I used the word share because the guilds were forced to share the mobs when VP was released.

Not sure what the rest of your post is alluding too, but yes I think the majority of the server does want a "fair" environment to play/raid in.

It shouldn't be about what one guild/group of players want. That should be more than obvious by this point.

Ultimately though players have almost no say and it comes down to whatever Rogean/Sirken wants. Which is why you get so much bitching/qq'ing on the forums about stuff. Pretty sure all they care about is a happy/content playerbase so if nothing else maybe all of the threads and polls bring issues to their attention.

Hoping they give a shit is another crapshoot entirely.

[Nirgon]

They give a shit (see addition of FTE shouts) but they can either screw over people with 100s of hours of place time, or create and enforce a raid calendar (variable completely when mobs spawn, documenting who got what last, how long guilds have to kill things after spawning...) or just leave it the way it is.

My opinion on variance is it just favors people who can log in at any hour of the day. This becomes a bigger problem the longer the time line goes on and the player base increasingly "only needs" loots from raid npcs.

On a classic, fresh start server with ~1 year classic, ~1 year Kunark, ~1 year Velious... things pan out very differently.

[Nietche]

Originally Posted by myriverse [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Are you kidding me? That's what generates most hate.

By corollary?

[Nietche]

Originally Posted by falkun [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Let's provide insight into Neitche's understanding of "competition":
1) Neitche joined TMO after IB left the server.
2) Neitche is not on the pull or train force of TMO, and so sits in raid with everyone else waiting for the pixel-holder to be brought to them.
3) Neitche left BDA when VD merged with BDA because Neitche did not like the "hardcore assholes" VD was bringing to BDA.
4) Neitche joined TMO months after VP had been opened, and months after the original TMO already had BiS outside VP.

Neitche, every single TMO asserts IB provided more stiff competition than FE ever did. So either you don't know competition, or ever other TMO member is wrong, take your pick.

Or you're an idiot.

[Nietche]

Originally Posted by Nirgon [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

but I am personally of the belief you should have to go through what they did to get your mobs. That's fair.

It's a hard struggle, its not for everyone, but I see this everywhere RL too. People work their asses off to get on top and hold their position, and people cry because they want it too but aren't going to put in the same work for it.

[Ravager]

Remove variance and un-nerf Yvandyr's Hoop. Playing field leveled. Nuts to the "work" TMO did to get where they are. 2 years of farming raid mobs is reward enough.