Why is training allowed on p99 in veeshan's peak? (poll asking your opinion)

[Sirken]

maybe the guilds should get together and see if its possible to work something out for the present time. no one is forcing anyone to train each other.

[Tasslehofp99]

Originally Posted by Sirken [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

maybe the guilds should get together and see if its possible to work something out for the present time. no one is forcing anyone to train each other.

Im personally working on this now, sirken.
Unfortunately not all parties involved are willing to negotiate at this point as far as I've been told.

[xmonkx]

Originally Posted by Tasslehofp99 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Im personally working on this now, sirken.
Unfortunately not all parties involved are willing to negotiate at this point as far as I've been told.

Until the GM's state that you can no longer train in VP, I will continue to unmercifully train any person or persons that steps into VP without a TMO tag on. You also ask for proof that training wasn't aloud in live. Well you're the one with the burden of proof to prove that it wasn't.

[Tasslehofp99]

Originally Posted by xmonkx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Until the GM's state that you can no longer train in VP, I will continue to unmercifully train any person or persons that steps into VP without a TMO tag on. You also ask for proof that training wasn't aloud in live. Well you're the one with the burden of proof to prove that it wasn't.

Not really since training was obviously never allowed on live servers. I would be more inclined to actually think the opposite would be true. If you claim training was allowed, and all published evidence points to the contrary, then the burden of proof should fall on you.


Where are our nerfquesters? They are usually superb at finding buried treasures of eq info.

[xmonkx]

Originally Posted by Tasslehofp99 [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Not really since training was obviously never allowed on live servers. I would be more inclined to actually think the opposite would be true. If you claim training was allowed, and all published evidence points to the contrary, then the burden of proof should fall on you.


Where are our nerfquesters? They are usually superb at finding buried treasures of eq info.

So what you're telling me is all speculation and you made this thread and want people other then yourself to find if it was or was not aloud. Makes sense ......

[hatelore]

Originally Posted by xmonkx [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Until the GM's state that you can no longer train in VP, I will continue to unmercifully train any person or persons that steps into VP without a TMO tag on. You also ask for proof that training wasn't aloud in live. Well you're the one with the burden of proof to prove that it wasn't.

+10 for the best dickhead response so far.

[Laugher]

Originally Posted by Sirken [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

maybe the guilds should get together and see if its possible to work something out for the present time. no one is forcing anyone to train each other.

I like that idea, but I'm also not in a guild atm haha. Everywhere else in the game things are regulated and (if necessary) enforced by GMs, on blue there really aren't many arenas where a compromise or even friendship among the raiders of high end content is promoted so much as a first-come-first-kill entitlement, perhaps VP is a good setting in which these things can happen before Velious?

(speculation): if ST or some similarly high end Velious zone is to be treated with the same policy wouldn't it be good to have perhaps worked out a resolution over things? With ST coming out it would seem that the awakening of the Sleeper (for example) would be something a lot of people (and guilds potentially) would want to be part of and that wouldn't be as possible without a bit of compromise.. compromise which would be more easily hammered out in Kunark than between trains in Velious.

*edit* my spelling errors, didn't see your post till I made mine Tassle glad to see someone's on this

[Zapatos]

Originally Posted by Sirken [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

maybe the guilds should get together and see if its possible to work something out for the present time. no one is forcing anyone to train each other.

The players doing the majority of training in there do it because they want to. I really wish you had spent more time even just observing VP when there was still action to watch, then you'd see just how silly a statement like that is.

History of the server has shown no competing guild can go in there without being trained even if they say they don't want any training. See Vesica Dei: they decided as a guild to NOT train when they went into VP... and immediately got corpsed camped. It took barely a day for their internal poll to switch from 90% against training to 90% for training. I'm not going to put the blame all on the guild who was in there at the time, but I will say that sort of behavior has a positive feedback and it only takes one person to start it.

[Tasslehofp99]

Originally Posted by Zapatos [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The players doing the majority of training in there do it because they want to. I really wish you had spent more time even just observing VP when there was still action to watch, then you'd see just how silly a statement like that is.

History of the server has shown no competing guild can go in there without being trained even if they say they don't want any training. See Vesica Dei: they decided as a guild to NOT train when they went into VP... and immediately got corpsed camped. It took barely a day for their internal poll to switch from 90% against training to 90% for training. I'm not going to put the blame all on the guild who was in there at the time, but I will say that sort of behavior has a positive feedback and it only takes one person to start it.

Good post, not to mention training is a quick and easy way to even the score on a competing guild which may have the upper hand. Sure, there are PLENTY of ways to derail trains but it then becomes a.numbers game with the guild who has more trainers coming out the Victor.


I would love to work out a player enforced play nice policy but could you imagine how fast that would be undone the second somone UNINTENTIONALLY trains. That is mainly why I questioned the logic behind GM sanctioned training, because if it isn't punishable inside VP, then no guild will ever risk losing a kill because they were slower to mobilize. Its easier to just wipe a raid with a train and keep em down until your raid can arrive. On the other hand if training in VP was enforced the risks of doing so would far outweigh the rewards.

[Sirken]

Originally Posted by Zapatos [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

The players doing the majority of training in there do it because they want to. I really wish you had spent more time even just observing VP when there was still action to watch, then you'd see just how silly a statement like that is.

History of the server has shown no competing guild can go in there without being trained even if they say they don't want any training. See Vesica Dei: they decided as a guild to NOT train when they went into VP... and immediately got corpsed camped. It took barely a day for their internal poll to switch from 90% against training to 90% for training. I'm not going to put the blame all on the guild who was in there at the time, but I will say that sort of behavior has a positive feedback and it only takes one person to start it.

you clearly missed what i was saying. you say players doing most of the training do it because they want to, maybe instead of assuming how much time i spend in VP, you should be thinking of ways to remove their incentive for training you. or train them back.

i love that you added, "GuildA decided as a guild not to train and then got corpse camped". First of all, who cares what one guild says or dictates? second, its laughable to think that they thought they wouldnt get trained in a zone that sees more trains than grand central station, simply because THEY decided not to train.

all the guilds need to agree to something or it doesnt work. and sometimes you gotta fight fire with fire until the other sides are willing to come to the table and talk.

if you do not force them to the discussion table with your actions, why would they agree to anything? i know i surely would not.

<3

PS- as for the guy that said he will train anyone not in his guild, well, hes not a guild leader, and if his GL tells him to knock it off, he will. but currently its open season, and hunters are gonna hunt