Duping

[xCry0x]

it is stupid from the perspective of the person running the server.

You wipe the server months before the release everyone has been waiting for.. people find something else to play and say they will come back in x months.. then they dont.

You let this server keep going as is.. find more massive exploits like this.. then when velious is close to ready you can re-release and everyone is excited all over but still addicted to the server.

[Splorf22]

No, wiping the server is in fact stupid. Who wants to play on a server where the staff will annihilate your character?

And its not like the lag would go away anyway. A fresh server would just mean a higher fraction of items would be duped.

[xCry0x]

I am also going to throw this out there.

Someone on the other thread in RnF that tiggles started stated that he did a trade involving an item & 75 pp which essentially got duped. After the lag both he and the guy he traded with had the item and the plat... key part is they both had the plat.

If the dupe works that way why the hell would the dupers create multiple items of high value just to sell them for plat to RMT the plat? they would just take the 500k, dupe that 10 times and be done with it.

Couldn't it also be possible that the influx in AoN for sale is simply from ex IB players coming back after possibly liquidating their accounts aside from certain items that would maintain/grow in value (AoN).. and now are selling said item in order to get going again (buy fungi + cof + epic etc)?

Aside from an RMT side tiggles knows about, do we have any proof that there are actually more in circulation and not simply one guy buying one one week, realizing the clicky effect is not worth 500k, then selling it the next week making it look like 2 just went for sale?

[Sarius]

Originally Posted by xCry0x [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I am also going to throw this out there.

Someone on the other thread in RnF that tiggles started stated that he did a trade involving an item & 75 pp which essentially got duped. After the lag both he and the guy he traded with had the item and the plat... key part is they both had the plat.

If the dupe works that way why the hell would the dupers create multiple items of high value just to sell them for plat to RMT the plat? they would just take the 500k, dupe that 10 times and be done with it.

Couldn't it also be possible that the influx in AoN for sale is simply from ex IB players coming back after possibly liquidating their accounts aside from certain items that would maintain/grow in value (AoN).. and now are selling said item in order to get going again (buy fungi + cof + epic etc)?

Aside from an RMT side tiggles knows about, do we have any proof that there are actually more in circulation and not simply one guy buying one one week, realizing the clicky effect is not worth 500k, then selling it the next week making it look like 2 just went for sale?

I don't think that this is likely, especially since one seller with a brand new forum account was called out and did not bother to defend his sale or continue trying to sell it.

[Kender]

if the item ID is duped as well it should be a simple query to filter out all unique item id's and be left with multiples...


then delete ALL of them. not just the dupe, but the original too.


p.s. this assumes every single item has a uniquie ID

[Kender]

anyone that loses money in this deal might then be able to petition their details, when they bought the duped item and for how much, and maybe the money trail could lead to the dupers or RMT'ers

[quido]

Originally Posted by Kender [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

p.s. this assumes every single item has a uniquie ID

It doesn't. Each TYPE of item has a unique ID.

[t0lkien]

Originally Posted by quido [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It doesn't. Each TYPE of item has a unique ID.

EQ was designed in a more innocent time [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

[xCry0x]

Originally Posted by Sarius [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

I don't think that this is likely, especially since one seller with a brand new forum account was called out and did not bother to defend his sale or continue trying to sell it.

I really love this forum sometimes. I can throw out a completely plausible idea and someone always lets me know how what I throw out there is unlikely because of equally unfounded reason x, y, z.

How is it more likely that people are duping items than it is likely that people are simply re-selling shit? That is the whole appeal to ec trading, you buy an item and try to flip it. Who knows why someone would want to do it anon, hell, maybe they forgot their forum username/pw and just created a new account?

Back to the topic at hand though.. the guy in the other thread said he duped items by mistake which resulted in both item & plat getting duped.

Explain why anyone would continue to dupe items vs just duping plat when duped plat isn't trackable? (one of the admin/gms/devs said this in a tiggles interview iirc)

[Widan]

Maybe the person duping items didn't know that plat could be duped using the same method...until that stupid person posted his story instead of contacting staff.

Originally Posted by xCry0x [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

How is it more likely that people are duping items than it is likely that people are simply re-selling shit? That is the whole appeal to ec trading, you buy an item and try to flip it. Who knows why someone would want to do it anon, hell, maybe they forgot their forum username/pw and just created a new account?

Also you can just go to http://ahungry.com/eqauctions/ and check trends to see what there has been an influx of. And this is only what has been seen in EC, so you can add some from the forums on there too.

Edit:

[1 days ago] Tallahassee auctions, '(WTS) Amulet of Necropotence , Master Wu's Trance Stick.'
[2 days ago] Tallahassee auctions, '(WTS) Amulet of Necropotence , Crimson Robe of Alendine.'
[3 days ago] Spellvendor auctions, 'wtt Amulet of Necropotence seeking 58+bard epic prefer.'
[3 days ago] Spellvendor auctions, 'WTTAmulet of Necropotence for, UBER account ... prefer bard.'
[1 weeks ago] Vazex auctions, '(WTS) Sebilite Scale Cap1k/Silken Whip of Ensnaring750p/Diamond2k/Black Sapphire2.7k/Lamentation5k/Amulet of Necropotence500k/Spell: Banishment of Shadows5k/.'
[1 weeks ago] Vazex auctions, '(WTS) Sebilite Scale Cap1k/Silken Whip of Ensnaring750p/Diamond2k/Black Sapphire2.7k/Lamentation5k/Spell: Banishment of Shadows5k/Amulet of Necropotence 500k/Spell: Splurt450p/.'
[2 weeks ago] Nuvar auctions, '(WTS) Amulet of Necropotence.'
[4 weeks ago] Cinn auctions, 'Runed Fighters Staff , Amulet of Necropotence .'
[5 weeks ago] Solkunar auctions, 'Amulet of Necropotence, Cobalt Bracer, Fingerbone Hoop, Lamentation.'
[5 weeks ago] Ogrimso auctions, '(WTS) Amulet of Necropotence 500K.'
[5 weeks ago] Ogrimso auctions, '(WTS) Amulet of Necropotence.'
[5 weeks ago] Solkunar auctions, 'Amulet of Necropotence, Cobalt Bracer.'
[5 weeks ago] Cinn auctions, 'Amulet of Necropotence, Runed Fighters Staff.'
[6 weeks ago] Cinn auctions, 'Amulet of Necropotence.'
[40 weeks ago] Kiphi auctions, '(WTS) Obulus Death Shroud , Prayer Shawl , Amulet of Necropotence (WTS).'
[43 weeks ago] Fratii auctions, '(WTS) , Rod of Annihilation, Amulet of Necropotence , (WTS) .'
[44 weeks ago] Rikezib auctions, '(WTS) Amulet of Necropotence, Cobalt Breastplate, Shield of Rainbow Hues .'
[44 weeks ago] Rikezib auctions, '(WTS) Amulet of Necropotence, Cobalt Breastplate, Shield of Rainbow Hues .'
[44 weeks ago] Rikezib auctions, '(WTS) Amulet of NecropotenceAmulet of Necropotence
[45 weeks ago] Kengu auctions, '(WTS) , Amulet of Necropotence , Rod of Annihilation Rod of Annihilation
[45 weeks ago] Azerel auctions, '(WTS) Amulet of Necropotence, (WTB) Donals Breastplate
[71 weeks ago] Joyous auctions, '(WTS) Blood Point, Adamantite Club, Amulet of Necropotence,Mask of Obtenebration,Tranquil Staff,Sebilite
[73 weeks ago] Tenda auctions, '(WTS) Amulet of Necropotence , Thex Dagger , Tobrin's Mystical Eyepatch , Manastone , Cloak of Flames , Cobalt

That's 7 different char's selling AoN's in EC over the past 6 weeks, compared with 7 in the previous year and a half. Yes, this website does not have all the data since it's only active when someone is uploading their logs, but it's pretty good at spotting inconsistencies with items.

edit: before anyone points it out, there's a bit of a gap in data from 23 weeks ago - 39 weeks ago I believe, but you can compare the rest