PSA: ATTN - If you are bound in raid zones, read this

[heartbrand]

I looked through everything, all that ever happened was that proposed non classic rule changes were made, one of them was disabling binding in FFA zones. This non-classic change was then instituted with a patch on 4/22/12. No accompanying note that people needed to change the bind was added with the patch. In fact, for months in Fear Holocaust / FF / Nihilum all took advantage of their legacy fear binds for farming fear. Not a peep was heard from anyone, including you sickpuppy who took part on some of these raids. The bind was considered "legacy" much like fire pots bind. Now suddenly the Nihilum haters are coming out to talk about how it's an evil "exploit" being "abused" in FUCKING PERMAFROST. LOL

[Lazortag]

The fact that there are other zones that should be considered raid zones doesn't absolve anyone of binding in zones that are currently considered raid zones, when that functionality was removed. It's patently obvious that if you're not allowed to bind in a certain zone, and you're still bound in that zone, then you're exploiting. This was an issue on the blue server where punishment was threatened for people who were still bound in Seb after it wasn't allowed anymore.

It's not *that* big of a deal in that you don't derive much of an advantage from being bound in Perma, but you still get some unfair advantage, and it's disingenuous to say otherwise (any time you're able to do things that others are prohibited from doing, you definitionally have an advantage over them).

edit: Heartbrand, I read your response, realized nothing in it was relevant, and decided to write nothing further about it.

[heartbrand]

Originally Posted by Lazortag [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It's patently obvious that if you're not allowed to bind in a certain zone, and you're still bound in that zone, then you're exploiting.

Except it's not patently obvious, perhaps to you it is, but to those of us who look to written and clear rules for guidance on how to behave, there has been no such rule for 14 months. During these 14 months not one thing has ever been mentioned on the subject, nor was there at the time of the rule, despite the fact that throughout this period some people have kept their bind. GM's have seen people keep the bind. Not one peep was uttered by anyone until now. Yet you say it's "obvious" it's exploiting, despite having no prior ruling to defend your position. I think the only thing that's "obvious" is your idiocy.

[Nirgon]

Go change your binds.

Heartbrand ..... I just I don't even

[heartbrand]

Is invis pulling "obviously" exploiting as well? What about keeping your bind @ TD Pots after Verant realized the game breaking nature of said bind? Was that also "obviously" exploiting? Being able to buff level 1's with level 60 buffs isn't classic and is being changed, is doing so right now "obviously" exploiting as well? Please, enlighten me with your vast knowledge of what else is "obviously" exploiting.

Originally Posted by Rogean [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

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• Binding has been disabled in FFA Zones.

That's all we have on the subject. Somehow you've extrapolated from that one sentence that keeping the bind is exploiting. So, in defense of my argument we have fourteen plus months of silence, zero posts or comments on retaining the bind, zero precedent for it being against the rules. In your defense you have that it is "obviously" exploiting. We call a statement or a "defense" like that in law a conclusory statement, I hope your day to day logic is better than your ForumQuest logic.

Here's a link with some examples of conclusory statements to help improve your logic in the future: http://members.shaw.ca/tjromaniuk/wp02v04p05.htm

[Sickpuppy]

Holy shit just change your fucking bind spot it's not that big of a deal

[Sickpuppy]

HB you seem to not understand . Sirken is the fcking man he tells you to jump you say how high he says change your bind you say where to .. Don't fucking question his authority ou scum

[heartbrand]

How is anyone questioning authority or refusing to comply? All I'm pointing out is to the haters who are like "LOL U GUYS EXPLOITIN" that prior to this post, for the last 14 months, not a single rule or utterance has ever been mentioned / published / broadcast that has ever even slightly implicated that keeping your bind is / was against the rules.

[big league chew]

rofl

[heartbrand]

Your two quotes make no sense in connection with your argument. Removing binding from FFA zones was a rule suggested by the player base, the logic was that people could bind rush you from the bind point and disrupt raids. There were arguments on both sides, I tend to favor the argument that once casters spawned with zero mana [classic] that there was no need for such a change, but that doesn't matter. The change eventually went in with little to no fan fair on 4/22/12. There was no rule stating that now you must remove your prior bind points, only a one sentence statement accompanying the patch stating that binding has now been disabled in FFA zones. It was well known that many people retained their "legacy" binds. The binds never ended up being used in the way that they were feared to begin with anyway, and the issue was really never brought up again until yesterday.