the EVIDENCE that GOD exists is the FACT that EXISTENCE EXISTS

[Tanthallas]

Why are you all so fucking stupid

[finalgrunt]

Originally Posted by Tanthallas [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Why are you all so fucking stupid

Wrong thread.

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inner reflections harrison?

[Daldolma]

Originally Posted by C. E. Hitchens
Let me just tell you something.

... you've no right to forget the way it [religion] behaved when it was strong.

20th century notable for strongest secular shift since antiquity, most institutional murder ever

hurray

[Hasbinbad]

Originally Posted by Daldolma [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

20th century notable for strongest secular shift since antiquity, most institutional murder ever

Non-sequitur much?

[Daldolma]

Originally Posted by Hasbinbad [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Non-sequitur much?

not really, your quote juxtaposes secular modernity with how horrible religion was for hundreds of years

20th century secularity just as bad, arguably worse

religious could just as easily say secular governments committed mass murder to enforce racial purity, used atomic weapons on innocents, murdered 20 mil in ussr, all in the past 100 yrs

we have no right to forget the way secularists behaved when they were strong

dum

[Kagatob]

Originally Posted by Daldolma [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

not really, your quote juxtaposes secular modernity with how horrible religion was for hundreds of years

20th century secularity just as bad, arguably worse

religious could just as easily say secular governments committed mass murder to enforce racial purity, used atomic weapons on innocents, murdered 20 mil in ussr, all in the past 100 yrs

we have no right to forget the way secularists behaved when they were strong

This I don't even...

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Huh?

[Hasbinbad]

Originally Posted by Daldolma [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

non sequituring

Yeah so you just mentioned a bunch of things religious people did and then blamed that on secularism.

InB4 you try and gotchya me with BUT STALIN WUZ ATHEIST HERR DERR, that fuck was a cult of personality deity-dictator who invented special science to support his regime and hunted down and killed anyone who disagreed with him .. that is not secularism, I'm sorry. If that's the best you can do, lol.

This is why it is a non sequitur, because you lay at the feet of secularism not only things that have been done in the name of god specifically, but also of crazy megalomaniacs. It does not follow.

[Daldolma]

Originally Posted by Hasbinbad [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Yeah so you just mentioned a bunch of things religious people did and then blamed that on secularism.

InB4 you try and gotchya me with BUT STALIN WUZ ATHEIST HERR DERR, that fuck was a cult of personality deity-dictator who invented special science to support his regime and hunted down and killed anyone who disagreed with him .. that is not secularism, I'm sorry. If that's the best you can do, lol.

This is why it is a non sequitur, because you lay at the feet of secularism not only things that have been done in the name of god specifically, but also of crazy megalomaniacs. It does not follow.

^ that's absolutely ridiculous

stalin's ussr, nazi germany, and 1940s USA were all definitively secular federal governments no matter what type of mental gymnastics you try to pull off. whether or not stalin was actually atheist isn't even relevant. secular doesn't mean atheist.

nothing you go on to say has anything to do with whether or not the state was secular. inventing special science, killing dissidents, being a crazy megalomaniac -- all well within the grasp of secular, as well as religious, governments.

you're more than happy to lay crazy megalomaniacs, special science, and political oppression at the feet of religion when it happens within a religious state. but when it happens within secular contexts, lulz not secular?