Why do devs keep making these retarded cash shop MMORPGs that all fail?

[gotrocks]

oh yuck. i had no idea...

and i was 99% sure neverwinter nights was forgotten realms. am i wrong there? i remember reading about it and it was in fact taking place in the neverwinter area.

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yeah i just looked it up and it is. too bad the developer is crap.

[nilbog]

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Money.

I doubt the majority of this trash is produced because of someone's 'vision'. A production company or group of investors proposes: can we invest X and expect a return of X(2) + (any additional). If that answer is yes, they contract a group of developers who work probably very little.. for little money, and release unfinished, unpolished and widely untested content.

For the developers it's just a job. For the production company, it's just money. In the end, they don't care about their reputation for releasing trash because it's often not the same developers that released their former trash. They make their X(2) and move on to the next one. This leaves the developers looking incompetent and players raging because the games suck and are little more than a money funnel for winning.

That's my opinion.

[HeallunRumblebelly]

Originally Posted by nilbog [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

re: subject

Money.

I doubt the majority of this trash is produced because of someone's 'vision'. A production company or group of investors proposes: can we invest X and expect a return of X(2) + (any additional). If that answer is yes, they contract a group of developers who work probably very little.. for little money, and release unfinished, unpolished and widely untested content.

For the developers it's just a job. For the production company, it's just money. In the end, they don't care about their reputation for releasing trash because it's often not the same developers that released their former trash. They make their X(2) and move on to the next one. This leaves the developers looking incompetent and players raging because the games suck and are little more than a money funnel for winning.

That's my opinion.

Their handling of STO pretty much shows this. Cryptic bangs out mmo's faster than I've ever seen. Terrible ones, too :P

[Rhambuk]

I don't mind the stores personally, i dont buy the exp pots or anything because i feel once you go down that path theres no turning back.

I do love the appearance gear! im all about how my char looks, the only raiding in wow I did were xmog runs and I admit i wasted a buttload of cash in eq2 on appearance gear.

I just cant help myself, if p99....nevermind

[myriverse]

Originally Posted by gotrocks [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

oh yuck. i had no idea...

and i was 99% sure neverwinter nights was forgotten realms. am i wrong there? i remember reading about it and it was in fact taking place in the neverwinter area.

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yeah i just looked it up and it is. too bad the developer is crap.

It's all the same brand. Neverwinter = D&D Forgotten Realms = Neverwinter Nights.

But they are different games.

[Samoht]

Originally Posted by myriverse [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

It's all the same brand. Neverwinter = D&D Forgotten Realms = Neverwinter Nights.

No, no it's not. The publisher and the developer for NWN has had absolutely nothing to do with the latest iteration of Neverwinter.

Neverwinter != Neverwinter Nights

[gotrocks]

Originally Posted by Samoht [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

No, no it's not. The publisher and the developer for NWN has had absolutely nothing to do with the latest iteration of Neverwinter.

Neverwinter != Neverwinter Nights

right, and i understood that from the start (though you're comment confused the HELl out of me at first), but its in the forgotten realms universe and centers around the town of neverwinter. this is what i was excited about, as i love the setting.

not so excited anymore, obviously

[gotrocks]

^^^ agree. this has been happening a lot lately. actually, this has happened a lot over the entire history of gaming... it just seems to be worse now because these 'freetoplay' games are such money sinks. corporate sucks.

[EchoedTruth]

Originally Posted by Noselacri [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]

Has there ever been a pay4power MMORPG that wasn't a complete and utter fiasco?

Neverwinter had its soft release yesterday (the open beta scheme where they launch the game but reserve the right to excuse all problems with "it's still beta") and it's just blatant pay2win.

You can buy all sorts of nonsense with cash, like full heal potions with 200 charges when the normal potions available in-game are more like WoW's potions: fairly costly and heal you for like 30%. Since potions have almost no cooldown in Neverwinter, you can literally eliminate the need for a healer if you pay the dollar bills it takes.

If you die, you can click a button to insta-rez yourself right there for 5 Zen (half a dollar) and you can buy the in-game currencies with cash. You can also buy shit like AoE rez scrolls, bonus packs with insanely overpowered low-level gear, and all the other typical thinly-veiled pay2win shit.

Everything can technically be obtained via gameplay, but of course they've designed it so it takes so long it might as well not be possible. The aforementioned 200-charge full heal potion? Estimated time to grind: 55 hours at current Astral Diamond to Zen conversion rates.

You also have to buy bags with Zen (or grind for days and days and days to get enough AD to buy the Zen) and high-level companions have to be bought as well. Anyone so inclined can swing the credit card and buy their endgame purples that way, or exp boosts that let them level from 1 to 60 in an afternoon.

Needless to say, this game will be dead within the month. My question is: why the shitting fuck do idiot developers keep making games like this? Is it really profitable or are they just failing over and over, making the same mistakes as the last thirty groups of morons did?¨

It's a real shame because the gameplay is kind of fun but who in their right mind is gonna make a serious commitment to a game that quite literally lets people buy cheat codes for $$$?

http://pc.gamespy.com/pc/neverwinter/1226580p1.html


But all that aside - any game where I can visit Baldur's Gate / be a mercenary from there = ok win

[Swish]

I was in the P99 IRC a while back, someone was telling me how much he had made from Diablo 3... the game didn't seem to go down well with players. As a Diablo fan (who's never played D3) I find it sad that Blizzard had to trial that system on Diablo.

If its fun to accumulate whatever it is you're selling for cash, then that's great... but you have to wonder how deep people's pockets go, or whether there's some spoilt little shits out there with daddy's credit card.

Worryingly I think, is that kids will grow up not knowing what it was to buy a game that was complete without additional DLC or pay2win options in it. Companies like EA will sucker more and more people in just through the fact that people begin to consider it "standard practice".

For us long time gamers (assuming most people here are in their mid-20s or older), we either pay up or our choice of titles becomes increasingly limited. But that's why we love emulators like P99, right? [You must be logged in to view images. Log in or Register.]